Gun/Family dog...pointer

[RMK7SledHead]

Yes, other than archery elk and a late season muley hunt. Where you hunt? We mainly stick to the north west nevada near the owhayee's or howerever you spell them

haven't you heard? There aren't many birds out in the desert anymore...I wouldn't tell my best friend where I hunted if he didn't go with me.

In the pic above, the Owyhee res is to the right about 1/2 mile. That's an opening weekend hunt for me though...friends have a cabin right on the reservoir and we have a good time. Snakes are CRAZY abundant though.

My dog and his brother from that opening day hunt.

 

[Makaveli_Rev]

haven't you heard? There aren't many birds out in the desert anymore...I wouldn't tell my best friend where I hunted if he didn't go with me.

In the pic above, the Owyhee res is to the right about 1/2 mile. That's an opening weekend hunt for me though...friends have a cabin right on the reservoir and we have a good time. Snakes are CRAZY abundant though.

My dog and his brother from that opening day hunt.

That is gorgeous. haha. Yes chucker hunters are some of the most secretive people i know. I sent you a PM

 

[Weekday Warrior]

Hey Warrior:

Long time no see. You might want to talk to Doc Erickson the chiro in Colville. He is a breeder/trainer of "pointing labs". You should see his dog Casey work, its amazing. Best of both worlds in my opinion. The are having small field trials beside the Chewelah Casino fairly often now, but the Doc would put Casey through the moves just to give ya a show at his house up Alladin. He could also tell ya when the next trials are where you might meet/see some good dogs and breeders as well. Good luck. EW

I didn't know about pointing labs until just recently, so it's a real deal huh?

I'll call Doc Erickson up and do like you said, didn't know there were trials anywhere near here...thats awesome!


Thanks for the input

 

[brushwolf]

I didn't know about pointing labs until just recently, so it's a real deal huh?

I'll call Doc Erickson up and do like you said, didn't know there were trials anywhere near here...thats awesome!


Thanks for the input

I have a friend that has a "pointing Lab" and I have to say that i am NOT impressed at all. I don't think that fool hound could point at a turd in a fishbowl if you duct taped his snout to the bowl.

Aside from that , if ya want a pointer why in the hell would you buy a crossbred imitation? Personally, I am a GSP guy but it boils down to what you are looking for in a dog, the type of game that you hunt and your personal style of hunting.

 

[Yellow Sno]

I didn't know about pointing labs until just recently, so it's a real deal huh?

I'll call Doc Erickson up and do like you said, didn't know there were trials anywhere near here...thats awesome!

Thanks for the input

Yeah lets take some lab dropouts with a soft flush and then encourage their soft flush even more. They don't point, they pause. If you want a pointing dog, get a pointing dog not a "pointing lab". Makes no sense at all. Labs are flushing dogs and with the right breeding and training can make great ones at that.

People that breed/train "pointing labs" are just breeding out the natural instincts of a lab. Something that should never be done IMHO. It amazes me that they have the following they do.

 

[Weekday Warrior]

Eric said:

go check out Casey, the pointing lab Doc Erickson runs

Eric also said to check out the dog trials in a town near mine which I didn't know about

Eric also said there is other breeders/dogs there I could get in touch with and see in action.


That is what I intend to do, never said anything about getting a pointing lab or that they were better than any other true pointer. I would like to see one work though.



Originally Posted by EricW
Hey Warrior:

Long time no see. You might want to talk to Doc Erickson the chiro in Colville. He is a breeder/trainer of "pointing labs". You should see his dog Casey work, its amazing. Best of both worlds in my opinion. The are having small field trials beside the Chewelah Casino fairly often now, but the Doc would put Casey through the moves just to give ya a show at his house up Alladin. He could also tell ya when the next trials are where you might meet/see some good dogs and breeders as well. Good luck. EW

 

[brushwolf]

Yeah lets take some lab dropouts with a soft flush and then encourage their soft flush even more. They don't point, they pause. If you want a pointing dog, get a pointing dog not a "pointing lab". Makes no sense at all. Labs are flushing dogs and with the right breeding and training can make great ones at that.

People that breed/train "pointing labs" are just breeding out the natural instincts of a lab. Something that should never be done IMHO. It amazes me that they have the following they do.

They did not even waste the time trying to breed out the lab instincts, they bred the pointing instincts into the lab by cross breeding with the english pointer. This "pointing lab" breed is recognized by the dog breeding community as the "English lab".

 

[Yellow Sno]

They did not even waste the time trying to breed out the lab instincts, they bred the pointing instincts into the lab by cross breeding with the english pointer. This "pointing lab" breed is recognized by the dog breeding community as the "English lab".

Thats not true. My brother has a lab out of English stock and it is in no way shape or form a "pointing lab". A lot of breeders (especially in the midwest) are using English stock to get a smaller more agile lab for upland purposes. My bros 6 year old female tips the scales at a shade over 50 lbs. A lot of the "pointing lab" guys are getting their dogs out of English stock however (its a more ideal size for a pointing dog).

There may be a very small amount who have cross bred an EP with a lab, but it is far from standard practice. The APLA (American Pointing Lab Assc) nor the AKC will recognize or allow your dog to compete if it is not out of pure Labrador Retriever stock. What I said in my previous post is how the pointing lab has evolved. They picked labs with weak flushes that had a tendency to pause and stare at the bird before flushing and encouraged and continued to breed that trait.

 

[Yellow Sno]

Eric said:

go check out Casey, the pointing lab Doc Erickson runs

Eric also said to check out the dog trials in a town near mine which I didn't know about

Eric also said there is other breeders/dogs there I could get in touch with and see in action.


That is what I intend to do, never said anything about getting a pointing lab or that they were better than any other true pointer. I would like to see one work though.

I wasn't discouraging you from checking out a field trial. They are a wonderful place to watch multiple breeds run. I may have overreacted, but the whole pointing lab thing is something I feel strongly about. I think it is wrong and stupid, JMHO.....

 

[Weekday Warrior]

So are setters really high strung?


Check out this kennel http://www.clearcutkennel.com/
also click stud dogs link

This is pretty close to what I'm after.

Just heard some bad things about setters not making great family dogs.

good link:
http://www.bird-dog-news.com/Article/BAES.html

 

[Bubba700]

Thats not true. My brother has a lab out of English stock and it is in no way shape or form a "pointing lab". A lot of breeders (especially in the midwest) are using English stock to get a smaller more agile lab for upland purposes. My bros 6 year old female tips the scales at a shade over 50 lbs. A lot of the "pointing lab" guys are getting their dogs out of English stock however (its a more ideal size for a pointing dog).

There may be a very small amount who have cross bred an EP with a lab, but it is far from standard practice. The APLA (American Pointing Lab Assc) nor the AKC will recognize or allow your dog to compete if it is not out of pure Labrador Retriever stock. What I said in my previous post is how the pointing lab has evolved. They picked labs with weak flushes that had a tendency to pause and stare at the bird before flushing and encouraged and continued to breed that trait.

^^^^ Is spot on about english labs. They tend to be smaller and a bit more high strung, but they hunt hard. Duck hunting partner has one that is papered and prof. trained and it is about 60 and goes all day and wont stop till you tell him to. His owner has to be careful cuase if he dosn't the dog will over work himself and take a couple days to recover. ^^^^^ Is correct about how they came up with pointing labs.

 

[Yellow Sno]

So are setters really high strung?


Check out this kennel http://www.clearcutkennel.com/
also click stud dogs link

This is pretty close to what I'm after.

Just heard some bad things about setters not making great family dogs.

good link:
http://www.bird-dog-news.com/Article/BAES.html

Any field bred dog is going to be more high strung than most any dog you pick up at the local pet store or pound (or a breeder that breeds bench dogs). Both my Cockers are field bred and go all day long, but make great house dogs. A lot of breeders call it an "on/off" switch or, on in the field and off in house. Setters are no exception to that rule. I know of a LOT of Setters that are hunted hard and make great house dogs.

Gordon Setters are not going to range quite as big, or run as "flashy" as an English Setter as a general rule. Both would make a fine grouse dog if it is a pointing dog you are after. Just keep in mind that you can reel in the range of your dog, but you can't push him further out. It is all personal preference in what you like in a dog. A Brit is more of a natural retriever than a Setter. Keep that in mind as well.

Check out http://www.uplandjournal.com. I am on the forum. Loads and loads of information and people willing to answer your questions about ANY breed of upland dog.

 

[brushwolf]

A point on the english setters being too big rangeing. The lewellyn will range big but the laverick setter ranges better for the hunter on foot. These are almost two distinct breeds within the english setter nameplate.

 

[justadude]

I have a hunch you guys were over your limit. Or at least your possesion limit!

haven't you heard? There aren't many birds out in the desert anymore...I wouldn't tell my best friend where I hunted if he didn't go with me.

In the pic above, the Owyhee res is to the right about 1/2 mile. That's an opening weekend hunt for me though...friends have a cabin right on the reservoir and we have a good time. Snakes are CRAZY abundant though.

My dog and his brother from that opening day hunt.