Obviously you travel with different circle than some. It does happen all of the time and has been a happening for a very long while.
Guess what, not a harmless drug! Duh
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Obviously you travel with different circle than some. It does happen all of the time and has been a happening for a very long while.
in places of business moldy?
no its because their mormons
you spelled morons wrong.......
pot? who cares? where would we be without it?
Auto repair shops, law offices, gun shops, farm implement dealerships, snowmobile dealerships, bookstores, ........ just a few off the top of my head in my little corner of paradise.
I like having a few beers; but reality is alcohol is a serious problem in society. When I read the police reports, the majority of the reports are alcohol related; and this is only the tip of the iceberg.
When is the last time you read about a stoner and domestic abuse? Never because all they want to do is eat a twinkie!
When is the last time you read about a stoner and domestic abuse? Never because all they want to do is eat a twinkie!
Unless it was the last Twinkie. Then s*** just got real
Then there are those of us that are equal opportunity substance connoisseurs.
Cannabinoids are addictive. For those that are interested, it isn't exactly new information:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1575338/
Ask any honest employee of a busy ER and they will tell you that many accidents include a positive screen for marijuana. Maybe other drugs on board as well, but not always. Driving while high is not much different than driving drunk.
My proposal/thought is decriminalize marijuana use, perhaps fine those that want to supply to still give the government someone to step on (they feel better when they have that option), and leave it at that. No prison time (unless repeatedly driving under the influence) as there are serious criminals to lock away. It is obvious that there will always be those that "partake." In fact, the group that is most likely to use is under 18 years old. Society just doesn't need another legal depressant to reduce productivity and increase risk.
So, not a completely harmless drug. It may take years for society to see the effects, though I expect it will sooner than later...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1575338/
Ask any honest employee of a busy ER and they will tell you that many accidents include a positive screen for marijuana. Maybe other drugs on board as well, but not always. Driving while high is not much different than driving drunk.
My proposal/thought is decriminalize marijuana use, perhaps fine those that want to supply to still give the government someone to step on (they feel better when they have that option), and leave it at that. No prison time (unless repeatedly driving under the influence) as there are serious criminals to lock away. It is obvious that there will always be those that "partake." In fact, the group that is most likely to use is under 18 years old. Society just doesn't need another legal depressant to reduce productivity and increase risk.
So, not a completely harmless drug. It may take years for society to see the effects, though I expect it will sooner than later...
How many years do you believe people have been smoking pot? Sooner has come and gone and it is currently much,much later and all is still groovy.
There is an incredible longterm prospective study from a large population about the psychological effects of using "heavy" marijuana use (4x or more per week). Decreased IQ by about 1 standard deviation (a seemingly larger issue if starting with less), and greatly increased risk for schizophrenia etc. So, uh, yeah. It has incredibly socially expensive effects that we are already aware exist.
My point was more to the likes of traffic incidents, etc. By legalizing, use will increase giving a greater sample pool for data. Colorado and Washington are currently being watched. In other words, a giant petri dish for the world to watch as an experiment. Having just returned from Europe, they think us here fine 'Mercans are quite stupid (not really a change from normal). Also, sure, it has been utilized for a long time. But so has cocaine. And peyote. Etc. It gets back to that old adage about jumping off a bridge... and don't start with the BS natural crap. Everything is naturally part of the universe-at least at some level. We aren't exactly creating matter...
My point was more to the likes of traffic incidents, etc. By legalizing, use will increase giving a greater sample pool for data. Colorado and Washington are currently being watched. In other words, a giant petri dish for the world to watch as an experiment. Having just returned from Europe, they think us here fine 'Mercans are quite stupid (not really a change from normal). Also, sure, it has been utilized for a long time. But so has cocaine. And peyote. Etc. It gets back to that old adage about jumping off a bridge... and don't start with the BS natural crap. Everything is naturally part of the universe-at least at some level. We aren't exactly creating matter...
Have you been watching fox news again.
FFS man the jury is out on this 30 years ago . "Heavy use" of anything even water has consequences.
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Have you been watching fox news again.
"Heavy use" of anything even water has consequences.
Yeah even vitamin P
Haha. Don't watch the news. Any time I do it only reaffirms my belief that a great majority of people are really, really stupid. I find what I want to read. Usually that way I get a chance to actually analyze numbers from the source and analyze two sides on an argument. I find that the argument about pot is similar to arguing about vaccines. Data is there, people are affected, but if it isn't what you want to believe you don't. Doesn't make the data go away. Just means you have chosen an alternative reality to base judgment upon. Statistics are merely presented to prove a particular point. Objectivity is a rare, rare thing in the world.
And, frankly, so long as we legalize everything drug related I really don't care. Cocaine actually improves productivity for a while. We use amphetamines for ADHD and it works. The only stipulation is that I have zero interest in helping anyone who hurts themselves doing so. Your choice, your end. If society had the balls to man up to their actions and play their cards on the table we wouldn't need laws for drugs. I sincerely have zero sympathy for those who hurt themselves on things that they know may hurt them. Myself included. When I start to become angry is when they hurt others. I've lost three family members to drunk drivers. It isn't funny. Just isn't. So, smoke yourself to high heaven so far as I care. Makes you happy? Great. Affects others? That's where we start to have a problem...
And, frankly, so long as we legalize everything drug related I really don't care. Cocaine actually improves productivity for a while. We use amphetamines for ADHD and it works. The only stipulation is that I have zero interest in helping anyone who hurts themselves doing so. Your choice, your end. If society had the balls to man up to their actions and play their cards on the table we wouldn't need laws for drugs. I sincerely have zero sympathy for those who hurt themselves on things that they know may hurt them. Myself included. When I start to become angry is when they hurt others. I've lost three family members to drunk drivers. It isn't funny. Just isn't. So, smoke yourself to high heaven so far as I care. Makes you happy? Great. Affects others? That's where we start to have a problem...
Current behavior is adult marijuana smokers is based on a time when it was illegal to do so. In other words, in your house, away from others where being caught was less likely. With it legal, behaviors will change. Smoking and driving/other public actions will be more frequent.
And no, not every one is irresponsible when altered (that usually means having someone around who isn't altered to run interference). They aren't the problem. It is those who do not realize that they are becoming impaired, or who don't care that are a problem. And perhaps one person's life doesn't mean much to you, but loose someone close coming back from their kid's graduation. Or headed on a high school date. Been there, done that. Again. Not funny.
For what it's worth, I wish you were right about it not being a concern. Got enough other $#!% that keeps the ICUs busy...
And no, not every one is irresponsible when altered (that usually means having someone around who isn't altered to run interference). They aren't the problem. It is those who do not realize that they are becoming impaired, or who don't care that are a problem. And perhaps one person's life doesn't mean much to you, but loose someone close coming back from their kid's graduation. Or headed on a high school date. Been there, done that. Again. Not funny.
For what it's worth, I wish you were right about it not being a concern. Got enough other $#!% that keeps the ICUs busy...
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