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donbrown

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What grease does the various manufactures use?

Lets start off with the sled makers

Yamaha
Ski Doo
Polaris
Arctic Cat

Do they use the same grease on all sleds and componants? A lithium based on a fan cooled and full synthetic on a 4-stroke?

Then off to custom builders

1200psi
HTG
IndyDan
Carls

How bout pro riders ?

I bring this up cause some of my older sleds (90's) have bearings with 10,000 miles on them (track idler wheels) and they seem good as new and other idler wheels 3 years old with 1000 miles and the bearings are galled.
 
I use polaris grease, been very very happy with it on the sleds... for all other things I use stayplex red synthetic(this after doing quite a bit of studing years ago )..I will say I have tryed most every type out there over the years..others that either have shown great test results or real world results..mobil 1 synthetic, redline, and the chevron red... there is 1 other grease I use, that works excellent but I dont know where it is available to the public and its branded with neapco's name. A good friend gets it for me and is my prefered u-joint/cv joint grease........
 
I use polaris grease, been very very happy with it on the sleds... for all other things I use stayplex red synthetic(this after doing quite a bit of studing years ago )..I will say I have tryed most every type out there over the years..others that either have shown great test results or real world results..mobil 1 synthetic, redline, and the chevron red... there is 1 other grease I use, that works excellent but I dont know where it is available to the public and its branded with neapco's name. A good friend gets it for me and is my prefered u-joint/cv joint grease........

Who makes Polaris grease? What is the basic lubricant in it? moly - lithium --- graphite ?
 
Maybe I am missing something here. I was not aware that you could/should grease your idler wheels.

If you guys do or you can, how do you go about it?

I have only regularly greased my suspension and steering components.

Do people actually grease up their idlers?


Hmmmm..........
 
Maybe I am missing something here. I was not aware that you could/should grease your idler wheels.

If you guys do or you can, how do you go about it?

I have only regularly greased my suspension and steering components.

Do people actually grease up their idlers?


Hmmmm..........

First of all it must be understood there is no such thing as a sealed bearing for this discussion. Only some type of cover to minimize the inner bearing from being exposed. This cover rubs between the inner and outer parts of the bearing.

There are needles to inject oil into the sealed bearing through the seals. The tips are angled so to edge between the seal and metal so not to damage the seal.

Some bearings allow the "dust covers" to come off and you can pack the bearings.

Other bearings can be drilled and tapped with a grease insert.

For me I am gonna buy some bearings and trying to figuire out what grease to use.

All grease are not compatible with others and can cause the grease to harden like a dried out putty
 
Don, just out of curosity are the ones that are failing Chinese made bearings?

The proper term for idler wheel bearings are Single Row Deep Groove Ball Bearings

The bearings are size 6004 common to all sled makers for wheels.

Dimensions
Bore d 0.7874 (in) 20.000 (mm)
O.D.D. 1.6535 (in) 42.000 (mm)
Width B or W 0.4724 (in) 12.000 (mm)

Then it reads LU and on the other end is NTN.

LU is the code for internals of the bearing

NTN America may be the USA parent company but don't know where they are made.
 
So I can find 6004 everyehere BUT the issue is two things...

The outer shield to make the seal and what grease they are using.

I know 6004zz is a steel outer cover with no contact rubber seals so that is a no go.

Cant find 6004LU anywhere?
 
So I am trying to figuire out the grease used.

I found this non synthetic grease is common Chevron SI2 and another common used SYNTHETIC grease Kyodo SRL.

Kyodo Yushi Multemp SRL grease. Long performance life, wide temperature(-50°C to 150°C) range grease consisting of special synthetic oil. Has anti-rust and noise suppresive properties. Ideal for small sealed bearings. Lithium based
 
I went with bearings prefilled with Kyodo Yushi Multemp SRL grease. Long performance life, wide temperature(-50°C to 150°C) range grease consisting of special synthetic oil. Has anti-rust and noise suppresive properties. Ideal for small sealed bearings. Lithium based
 
Who makes Polaris grease? What is the basic lubricant in it? moly - lithium --- graphite ?

The basic lubricant in grease is oil. Lithium, polyurea, are soaps or carriers designed to suspend the oil and hold it in place to do its job. Moly is a mineral that is added to some greases to help lubricate, moly is best is slow speed applications and pivot joints.
 
The basic lubricant in grease is oil. Lithium, polyurea, are soaps or carriers designed to suspend the oil and hold it in place to do its job. Moly is a mineral that is added to some greases to help lubricate, moly is best is slow speed applications and pivot joints.

Do most lubricants / grease use Lithium because of cost or attributes?
 
Lithium used to be the preferred grease for most applications, polyurea based greases are now the top shelf greases. Lithium greases are cheaper and still one of the most popular greases made.
 
Lithium used to be the preferred grease for most applications, polyurea based greases are now the top shelf greases. Lithium greases are cheaper and still one of the most popular greases made.

Would it be good to use polyurea based grease on our sleds? Is it expensive?
What brands offer this polyurea based grease ?

From what I have read so far you better be right on the type of Polyurea grease or you can have compatibility issues:

The compatibility of polyurea greases with soap-thickened greases is probably the most debated area of grease compatibility today. Greases based on simple lithium soaps (lithium stearate or lithium 12-hydroxystearate) and lithium complex soaps (containing simple soap and a complexing agent, such as lithium azelate) may or may not be compatible with polyurea greases. This is because of the wide variety of materials that can be reacted to form a thickener that is termed polyurea. Some polyurea thickeners are completely compatible with lithium and lithium complex thickeners, while other polyurea thickeners are definitely incompatible with the lithium and lithium complex thickeners.

It is necessary to perform compatibility testing on combinations of these greases to determine whether the greases can be mixed in service. It is incumbent upon the user of the greases to verify compatibility when making a change from one product to another. Most grease suppliers have data on certain grease combinations or are willing to perform the required testing for their customers.

To help users understand the implications of mixing greases, ASTM International (formerly the American Society for Testing and Materials) Committee D02.G developed ASTM D6185 Standard Practice for Evaluating Compatibility of Binary Mixtures of Lubricating Greases in 1997. This document details the procedure for evaluating the basic compatibility of greases, which is determined by measuring the dropping point, the mechanical stability and the change in consistency of the mixture upon heating.

Greases are considered to be compatible if the following conditions are met:

The dropping point of the mixture is not significantly lower than that of the individual greases.


The mechanical stability of the mixture is within the range of consistency of the individual greases.


The change in consistency of the mixture following elevated temperature storage is within the range of the change in consistency of the individual greases following elevated temperature storage.


Once two greases are determined to be compatible in the above three areas, further testing to determine the impact on other performance parameters of the products may be warranted. Any test that is designed for measuring grease performance may be used on a mixture of greases to determine the effect on that parameter when the greases are mixed. The tests that are conducted should be agreed upon between the user and grease supplier to assure that the properties that are critical to the proper function of the product in service are covered. The full text of ASTM D6185 is available from ASTM International at www.astm.org.

About the Author
David Turner works for Shell Global Solutions Inc. and is the co-chairman of the National Lubricating Grease Institute’s technical committee. To learn more about NLGI, visit www.nlgi.org.

Full article:

http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/1865/grease-compatibility
 
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You are correct their can be compatibility issues, by cleaning out the old grease or starting fresh with one grease and sticking to it you won't have these issues.

I don't know who all makes or offers a polyurea grease. Archer oil the brand I use offers a couple along with other greases. A lot of oem's are using polyurea at mfg. gm, jd, case ih etc.

Personally I never grease bearings that are not designed to be relubed, the housing has a zerk and the race has a grease port. I have noticed like you that some idler brngs last much longer that others. I believe this is related to the seals used and the grease installed at mfg.

I don't know how you would find out what grease a bearing mfg. uses. This might be specified by buyer ie. polaris. Otherwise they probably select a grease based on how they think the bearing will mostly be used for.
 
You are correct their can be compatibility issues, by cleaning out the old grease or starting fresh with one grease and sticking to it you won't have these issues.

I don't know who all makes or offers a polyurea grease. Archer oil the brand I use offers a couple along with other greases. A lot of oem's are using polyurea at mfg. gm, jd, case ih etc.

Personally I never grease bearings that are not designed to be relubed, the housing has a zerk and the race has a grease port. I have noticed like you that some idler brngs last much longer that others. I believe this is related to the seals used and the grease installed at mfg.

I don't know how you would find out what grease a bearing mfg. uses. This might be specified by buyer ie. polaris. Otherwise they probably select a grease based on how they think the bearing will mostly be used for.

It is a great unknown as to what gease is in the sled manufactures bearings.

I just pulled the bearings of idler wheels and most had no grease but little balls of dirt, one was so galled it is ready to fail and only one still had grease in it.

AS far as the bearings I just bought the "distributor" has the same type of bearing 6004 with different types of grease. So went with a Lithium based synthetic having a very wide operation temp as compared to other greases available.
 
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D@mn, we need snow!
We've gone from pissin over what oil is best and what sled is best, to analyzing grease?:face-icon-small-con

Soory for the derail, carry on.:bounce:
 
D@mn, we need snow!
We've gone from pissin over what oil is best and what sled is best, to analyzing grease?:face-icon-small-con

Soory for the derail, carry on.:bounce:

Suppose to snow in California 9-10 OCT.

Dakotas are gettin some right now?
 
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