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if you want a shirt make sure you are going on the missoualsnowgoers.org site and going to the sledwarrior section and selecting a shirt
if you just donate to the great burn you will not be getting a shirt
if you just donate to the great burn you will not be getting a shirt
Duplication/dilution of efforts??
Why would another organization be formed to keep our riding areas open? Isn't that why SAWS was formed? Are they not doing a good enough job?
I just can't see how adding another entity helps. I think we should be joining forces, not diluting the overall effort here.
Why would another organization be formed to keep our riding areas open? Isn't that why SAWS was formed? Are they not doing a good enough job?
I just can't see how adding another entity helps. I think we should be joining forces, not diluting the overall effort here.
numbskull, this organization IS WHY the area hasn't been locked down yet.
isn't there strength in numbers?
ok, but why not JOIN forces with a group that already has roots in this effort?
shouldn't each state snowmobile association be teaming up with a SINGLE snowmobile access organization for strength in numbers?
I see all this talk about forming Sled Warriors for Idaho and Montana with hopes of Washington and others states to follow. Why is this better than what SAWS was organized to do since 2005?
SAWS hasn't seen much growth in the sledding community lately and doesn't get much *real* participation on issues they raise, yet everyone's ready to jump on another bandwagon for the same purposes that SAWS is struggling to accomplish? I don't get it... so what am I missing?
ok, but why not JOIN forces with a group that already has roots in this effort?
shouldn't each state snowmobile association be teaming up with a SINGLE snowmobile access organization for strength in numbers?
I see all this talk about forming Sled Warriors for Idaho and Montana with hopes of Washington and others states to follow. Why is this better than what SAWS was organized to do since 2005?
SAWS hasn't seen much growth in the sledding community lately and doesn't get much *real* participation on issues they raise, yet everyone's ready to jump on another bandwagon for the same purposes that SAWS is struggling to accomplish? I don't get it... so what am I missing?
I don't disagree with you...and I can't explain why it's this way. I'm not involved deep enough to asnwer your questions...I don't know how much CBU, SAWS or BRC are involved in the Great Burn fight.
But I know the local grass roots movement (Montana Sled Warriors) here is getting the most done for this riding area travel plan.
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the name has been changed back to just sledwarrior
the difference between sledwarriors and saws and others is its only sledding related
we feel that sleds are different than wheeled vehicles and shouldnt be treated the same
saws , blue ribbon etc fight a larger cause
sledwarriors === sledding areas
the difference between sledwarriors and saws and others is its only sledding related
we feel that sleds are different than wheeled vehicles and shouldnt be treated the same
saws , blue ribbon etc fight a larger cause
sledwarriors === sledding areas
BRC might have a wider agenda, but SAWS has *never* had a focus beyond snowmobiling. When you compare the mission statements, they are very similar in both wording and intent:
SLEDWARRIORS (http://www.montanasledwarrior.com/ourmission.html):
To share our passion for backcountry snowmobiling with friends and family while educating the public about the negative impact of closing access to historic recreational riding areas.
We will protect, advocate and defend our rights to backcountry accessibility so that all Montana snowmobilers may enjoy the sport today and for generations to come.
We will protect, advocate and defend our rights to backcountry accessibility so that all Montana snowmobilers may enjoy the sport today and for generations to come.
SAWS (http://www.snowmobile-alliance.org/mission.asp):
To provide education regarding public lands policy and outdoor recreation ethics in order to preserve and protect access to traditional trails and terrain on public lands, so that future generations will be able to enjoy nature through snowmobiling as generations have done in the past.
SLED WARRIORS (http://www.montanasledwarrior.com/ourmission.html):
We are dedicated to educating and unifying Montana snowmobilers, snowmobile clubs and organizations as well as snowmobile industry dealers and service providers in an effort to create a unified voice and a stable source of legal funding to defend Montana back-country riding areas.
SAWS (http://www.snowmobile-alliance.org/mission.asp):
SAWS has only one priority - to keep our riding areas open. Our purpose is not to be a social outlet but rather as activists whose combined knowledge and strengths will benefit the greater snowmobiling community. We will focus on preventing riding areas from being shut down due to changes in land use designations that are detrimental to snowmobiling.
I think this causes confusion in the snowmobile community and definitely does not promote unity between the organizations working on the exact same cause.
Here is what I have seen being a member of SAWS and Sledwarrior. SAWS tells us about what the greenies are trying to do and keeps us informed. Sledwarrior keeps us informed and also filed a lawsuit against the forest circus for illegally classifying an area as wilderness and closing it to snowmobiles. Sledwarrior held an auction in Missoula and all of the proceeds went to filing the lawsuit. They seem to be more proactive and do a better job of uniting snowmobilers into one big group with all of the funding in one spot. I think part of the problem is that there are too many small snowmobile associations and we haven't been fighting this as one group. With us broken up its easier for the Forest circus and greenies to shut us out. Sledwarrior is bringing us together as one.
Here's a quote from the last meeting with Sledwarrior and the Forest circus:
What I feel is of significant importance is Rick Brazell, CNF Regional Forester, is on the CBC board and when the proposed bill was drafted it did not include any provision for snowmobiling in the Great Burn, he stood up and said they had to make an accommodation for snowmobilers. When asked “why?” he replied “ they are organized, they have mapping, they have done a use analysis, and they have political support”. I feel his comments will also be reflected in the Forest Service posture on the CNF Forest plan.
Stan Spencer, the president of Sledwarrior is/was also head of the Idaho snowmobile association and he saw the need for Sledwarriors.
Here's a quote from the last meeting with Sledwarrior and the Forest circus:
What I feel is of significant importance is Rick Brazell, CNF Regional Forester, is on the CBC board and when the proposed bill was drafted it did not include any provision for snowmobiling in the Great Burn, he stood up and said they had to make an accommodation for snowmobilers. When asked “why?” he replied “ they are organized, they have mapping, they have done a use analysis, and they have political support”. I feel his comments will also be reflected in the Forest Service posture on the CNF Forest plan.
Stan Spencer, the president of Sledwarrior is/was also head of the Idaho snowmobile association and he saw the need for Sledwarriors.
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Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with SAWS or any other pro-snowmobile groups. We are fortunate to have them. Sledwarrior is just a new type of sled organization and is kicking a$$ for us. For the first time in 10 years I feel that we can maintain our public land use and possibly even get back some of what we lost.
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