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General Edge Issues that result in bad engine performance.

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1. Check the front left engine mount as they tend to get torn in the 800, allow twisting of the crankcase, which then causes all kinds of engine problems.
2. If the air suction hose from the bottom back of the crankcase, has been replaced with a red plastic hose, due to the 02 crankcase hose connector not having a bend in it, the red hose can get warm from the engine and kink over causing loss of suction to the fuel pump and fuel starvation.
3. The high beam light connector can cause low rpm engine problems when it burns out. Disconnect it to check.
4. A bad reed in the reed valves causes low rpm engine problems. They need to seal when in the at-rest position. Old ones don't seal and cause loss of compression. Broken ones are even worse requires extremely high rpm to keep the engine running.
5. A leaky VES valve gasket will cause engine problem. Look for tears in both the flat gasket and the rubber diaphragms. While you are at it, check the metal guillotines for impact dents. Replace if has impact dents. If they are not getting stopped at the correct location, they could take out the rings and pistons.
6. Check for choke lever having 1/4" to 3/8" free play before it starts to engage on the carburetor. This problem can appear at any time and cause the engine to rev up slow, not be able to go above 6000 rpm and kick on the DET retard. One mysterious reason can be found at the tiny plastic choke lever box that is attached to the front side of the dash board. The cable feeds into this box through a plastic cap. That plastic cap can become dislodged at any time from just moving the choke cable around or moving the carburetor around. Once that cap comes out of the box, then your choke cable no longer has any free play, which then causes the slow revving and low rpm issues. Another possible reason is the expansion of the casing surrounding the choke cable, when the engine heats up. This may kick the choke just on enough to cause the engine retard to kick in.
7. Look for the suction hoses from the carburetor to the air box to be in place and plugged in at both ends.
8. Look for corrosion inside of the spark plug, rubber plug connector cap. Replace if corrosion is present.
9. Check for idle rpm set too low on top of carburetor.
10. Rear track idler wheel bearings are under extreme stress. All of the rear idler wheel bearings should be replaced with a $10 bearing at 2500 miles or whenever those wheels do not spin freely around your thumb when holding them. All other track idler wheel bearings can be replaced with $3 bearings as required. If you take them off and spin them, you can tell whether there is any grease in the bearing anymore. Replace the bearing if there is no more grease, even though it spins.
11. Front track drive sprocket bearings are also critical. The left side bearing should be regreased with the xerxes fittings every 200 miles. If you have never greased that bearing, it will disintegrate and cause your speedometer to no longer give you speed readings because the key in the middle of the drive shaft axle, has sheared off. Regardless of how often you regreased the left bearing, it will be shot at 2500 miles or sooner. The right side bearings get plenty of lubrication from the chaincase oil and last much longer that the left side.
12. A bad water pump drips coolant out a little hole on the right front of the water pump housing. If you have a serious drip, then it is time to replace the guts of that water pump, which is no easy task. If the engine over heats and you cannot find the cause, the nylon lock nut that holds the water pump impeller onto the pump shaft, may have loosened enough to contact the bottom side of the water pump's top housing. This causes the water pump impeller to seize, engine overheating and a possible broken water pump belt as well.
13. At the large drive sprocket inside of the chaincase, there is a nut and washer that hold the large sprocket on the drive shaft. If this nut is not loctited and torqued as specified, then it could work it's way off the drive shaft, causing the chain case to suddenly seize.
14. A bad temperature sensor thermostat on top of the cylinder cover, will cause the engine to not start. Since a good sensor completes the electrical circuit of the two wires that run into it, the sensor can be checked by unplugging it, and then connecting those two wires in the electrical harness, with a U-shaped wire that has enough insulation stripped to get a connection at the two wires.
15. A thermostat can get so hot that it becomes misaligned and gets hung up in a partly open position. This can cause overheating.
 
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The two big things I've personally seen on my 600 are disintegrating carb boots and a failed speedo side driveshaft bearing. The dead giveaway on the bearing is if the speedo dies; the 800 I parted out also had a smoked that bearing. The good news is, as long as you don't run it too long, it usually doesn't hurt anything else. The carb boots are something I look at every year now. I noticed something wasn't right at the end of the year a couple seasons back, and discovered both had tears in them, big enough to let air in. I was lucky there: if I'd run it long and hard enough like that, the air leaks would have burned down a piston. I also had a headlight switch go bad, but didn't affect anything – just something to keep in mind and replace when you notice it doesn't feel like it used to. I also had to replace the plunger for the choke cable last season after the starter handle flopped into and broke it. Good idea to have a spare on hand (fortunately, a fellow SnoWester had one on hand), but you can avoid that by following the handle back in rather than just letting it go.

Really, I'd say 90% of the potential problems with these sleds can be avoided by giving everything a look over before the first ride of the season. If you're working on something that requires pulling the motor, that's a good time to replace the fuel and oil lines, motor mounts if they're sketchy, and clean out the engine bay. Most sleds have a bunch of gunk and debris under the motor, and that can be a great fire-starter!
 
16. Poor compression test below 115 psi means you have ring, piston or cylinder wall issues.
17. Oil can thicken in the carburetor injection holes over the summer, and result in a seizing of that particular piston.
18. Using improper O rings in the cylinder head that are not high temperature, will cause melting of that O-ring, coolant inside the cylinder and piston, ring and cylinder wall issues.
19. Stators and CDI boxes can suddenly go out at any time and with no warning.
20. The oil pump can suddenly stop functioning for no apparent reason. Verify that the oil level is dropping with each ride and that it is using oil at the rate of 40 parts gas to 1 part oil. Reverse oil pumps are not required for engines with PERC reverse. Unless you intend to race the sled backwards for several miles.
 
21. Having the idle adjusted too low will make the engine hard to start, even when warm.
22. If after starting the engine when cold, and the headlight dims when you attempt to rev it up a little, but this kills the engine, your stator is shot. New after market stators on Ebay work just fine.
 
23. No hint of a headlight beam means that your electrical system has problems. Problems could include a short in the main electrical harness, CDI electrical harness that does not latch to the CDI on the air box, bad stator, bad throttle block, bad voltage regulator or bad kill switch.
24. The two clear nickel size diaphragms inside of the fuel pump, can kink for no apparent reason during the off season. Then it no longer sucks fuel from inside of the pump and pushes it out the tube going to the center of the carburetor. After pull starting the engine with no success, remove that tube and see if it is full of fuel. If no fuel is in that tube, then the fuel pump has lost it's ability to push fuel to the carburetor. Get a repair kit off of Ebay and replace those diaphragms especially.
25. The fuel intake tube inside of the gas tank gets brittle after 20 years, if not sooner. It needs replacing by now.
 
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26. If you recently took your heads off for anything, and upon restarting the motor, it spews steam that never clears up, then the inside hi temp O-ring on one or more of your cylinders did not seat properly and is allowing coolant into the combustion chamber.
27. Voltage regulators go out.
28. <= <= <= Yep, that's a real Bigfoot photo taken in Washington.
 
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29. The weaving of the main electrical harness below the engine, immediately next to the rear engine mounts, can cause those electrical wires to be crushed when reinstalling an engine. Which then can make it impossible to start with that electrical harness.
30. Used reeds that do not contact the surface to which they seal, will make the engine real easy to pull start for those without the usual level of male upper body strength. Newer reeds will make it a work out to start. Your choice. Newer or after market reeds are generally not the most economical method for adding horsepower, however. Pipes are, except they would have to be found used at this point.
 
Why do all bigfoot photos look like a grainy, out-of-focus picture of a tree stump or bear or moose?
Blurry photos are usually a result of the focus not set on infinity, but instead set to focus on the nearest leaf or branch, for which the forest has many. There are dozens of much better and authentic photos on the internet of this type of paranormal forest person that normally sleeps during the daytime in another dimension.
 
29. The weaving of the main electrical harness below the engine, immediately next to the rear engine mounts, can cause those electrical wires to be crushed when reinstalling an engine. Which then can make it impossible to start with that electrical harness.
30. Used reeds that do not contact the surface to which they seal, can make the engine slightly easier to pull start for those without the usual level of male upper body strength. Newer reeds will make it a work out to start. Your choice. Newer or after market reeds are generally not the most economical method for adding horsepower, however. Pipes are the most economical method to add horsepower, except they would be hard to find used at this point.
 
26. If you recently took your heads off for anything, and upon restarting the motor, it spews steam that never clears up, then the inside hi temp O-ring on one or more of your cylinders did not seat properly and is allowing coolant into the combustion chamber.
27. Voltage regulators go out. So do coils.
28. <= <= <= Yep, that's a real Bigfoot photo taken in Washington.
 
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1. Check the front left engine mount as they tend to get torn in the 800, allow twisting of the crankcase, which then causes all kinds of engine problems.
2. If the air suction hose from the bottom back of the crankcase, has been replaced with a red plastic hose, due to the 02 crankcase hose connector not having a bend in it, the red hose can get warm from the engine and kink over causing loss of suction to the fuel pump and fuel starvation.
3. The high beam light connector can cause low rpm engine problems when it burns out. Disconnect it to check.
4. A bad reed in the reed valves causes low rpm engine problems. They need to seal when in the at-rest position. Old ones don't seal and cause loss of compression. Broken ones are even worse requires extremely high rpm to keep the engine running.
5. A leaky VES valve gasket will cause engine problem. Look for tears in both the flat gasket and the rubber diaphragms. While you are at it, check the metal guillotines for impact dents. Replace if has impact dents. If they are not getting stopped at the correct location, they could take out the rings and pistons.
6. Check for choke lever having 1/4" to 3/8" free play before it starts to engage on the carburetor. This problem can appear at any time and cause the engine to rev up slow, not be able to go above 6000 rpm and kick on the DET retard. One mysterious reason can be found at the tiny plastic choke lever box that is attached to the front side of the dash board. The cable feeds into this box through a plastic cap. That plastic cap can become dislodged at any time from just moving the choke cable around or moving the carburetor around. Once that cap comes out of the box, then your choke cable no longer has any free play, which then causes the slow revving and low rpm issues. Another possible reason is the expansion of the casing surrounding the choke cable, when the engine heats up. This may kick the choke just on enough to cause the engine retard to kick in.
7. Look for the suction hoses from the carburetor to the air box to be in place and plugged in at both ends.
8. Look for corrosion inside of the spark plug, rubber plug connector cap. Replace if corrosion is present.
9. Check for idle rpm set too low on top of carburetor.
10. Rear track idler wheel bearings are under extreme stress. All of the rear idler wheel bearings should be replaced with a $10 bearing at 2500 miles or whenever those wheels do not spin freely around your thumb when holding them. All other track idler wheel bearings can be replaced with $3 bearings as required. If you take them off and spin them, you can tell whether there is any grease in the bearing anymore. Replace the bearing if there is no more grease, even though it spins.
11. Front track drive sprocket bearings are also critical. The left side bearing should be regreased with the xerxes fittings every 200 miles. If you have never greased that bearing, it will disintegrate and cause your speedometer to no longer give you speed readings because the key in the middle of the drive shaft axle, has sheared off. Regardless of how often you regreased the left bearing, it will be shot at 2500 miles or sooner. The right side bearings get plenty of lubrication from the chaincase oil and last much longer that the left side.
12. A bad water pump drips coolant out a little hole on the right front of the water pump housing. If you have a serious drip, then it is time to replace the guts of that water pump, which is no easy task. If the engine over heats and you cannot find the cause, the nylon lock nut that holds the water pump impeller onto the pump shaft, may have loosened enough to contact the bottom side of the water pump's top housing. This causes the water pump impeller to seize, engine overheating and a possible broken water pump belt as well.
13. At the large drive sprocket inside of the chaincase, there is a nut and washer that hold the large sprocket on the drive shaft. If this nut is not loctited and torqued as specified, then it could work it's way off the drive shaft, causing the chain case to suddenly seize.
14. A bad temperature sensor thermostat on top of the cylinder cover, may cause the engine to not restart when hot. Since a good sensor completes the electrical circuit of the two wires that run into it, the sensor can be checked by unplugging it, and then connecting those two wires in the electrical harness, with a U-shaped wire that has enough insulation stripped to get a connection at the two wires.
15. A thermostat can get so hot that it becomes misaligned and gets hung up in a partly open position. This can contribute to overheating, but you probably have another cause to the overheating that caused that extreme motion in the thermostat.
 
29. If when the engine is idling, and you wiggle the thumb throttle lever that then causes the engine to kill, then the throttle block needs replacing because there is too much play in hinge pin hole inside of the throttle block. You will probably destroy the hand warmers in installing a new throttle block, so you will end of wanting to replace that as well.
30. The CDI harness has a clip inside that latches to the CDI. You will eventually break this clip that can cause the engine to kill. One fix is to drill holes in the air box that a zip tie loops are inserted into. Those loops then can be used to anchor another zip tie loop that threads around the CDI harness and holds it in place.
 
31. If the TEMP light comes on when the engine is cold, and then never goes out, it is because the black wire from the Temperature sensor on the cylinder, and the black wire that comes from the carburetor electrical plug, joined at a junction and then the black wire that they merged into, broke off at the other side of that junction. The junction is hidden inside of the black rubber hose wrap. You probably going to have some high RPM issues when the engine warms up, if you don't fix this particular issue. As it will always be in the retard mode, once the engine warms up.
 
31. If the TEMP light comes on when the engine is cold, and then never goes out, it is because the black wire from the Temperature sensor on the cylinder, and the black wire that comes from the carburetor electrical plug, joined at a junction and then the black wire that they merged into, broke off at the other side of that junction. The junction is hidden inside of the black rubber hose wrap. You probably going to have some high RPM issues when the engine warms up, if you don't fix this particular issue. As it will always be in the retard mode, once the engine warms up.
Thanks for the awesome Diagnostics Check list on the Polaris Edge Issues.
 
32 If you have only 800 sleds in your stable but want to introduce a person that has little experience, or say a person that you don't want to scare them so as to cause them to pinch the thumb throttle wide open in a death grip trying to hang on, you can effectively turn it into a 600, by putting in the lesser power stator for the 440, 500, 550 and 600 sled that are available for cheap on Ebay. Polaris part number 4060222.
 
Extra parts to carry in you back pack that a broke down sled can be field tested with and possibly be revived on the spot include, include a working CDI harness, a CDI, a coil, plugs, a temperature sensor, belt and a voltage regulator. And you will obviously need the tools to change them out.
 
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