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Gallaher ride with Rasmussen....

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Thought I would share a few photos from our Rasmussen ride last week. Wednesday turned out to be a great ride (considering the alternatives) at Gallaher/Hawkins Ridge.

The last one is actually from Tuesday (overcast) but a group shot during his "schooling" session. Everyone had the opportunity for one on one with him on and off the mountain, it turned out to be a great time even with the snow conditions and "water hazards" lol. We all aced the creek crossing lessons, lol.

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Sounds like it was a great turnout and everyone got more than what they were hoping for!!! :devil::face-icon-small-coo

Looking forward to the next one! :cheer2:
 
glad he was ok..but disapointed to see 3 guys on a hill at once in a ride clinic...we should be teaching proper back country avy safety as well I would think...:focus:
 
glad he was ok..but disapointed to see 3 guys on a hill at once in a ride clinic...we should be teaching proper back country avy safety as well I would think...:focus:

Where as I appreciate all comments, I feel compelled to respond because you are speaking as to the integrity of my business and to the safety of our participants. I too am disappointed that you assumed we hadn't properly assessed the situation and suggested that Mr Rasmussen was NOT teaching the clinic correctly. I would think... you should have first inquired if we determined the avy danger levels and if we were properly prepared and trained...

If you had not assumed the worst off the bat (why is that most often the case on this forum?) you would have considered that we were not reckless and that we made decisions based upon first hand knowledge of the current terrain, weather history and research... avy danger levels for NW slopes were GREEN (please see attachment), ground layer was SOLID with no loose pack, beacons on EVERY rider and safety discussions prior to departing on our ride and then also once we reached our destination. We did our due diligence...

...anyway, on a lighter note... have you ever tried to herd cats? Impossible.

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3 things here.

One because we try to beat it into everyone's head "one person on the hill at all times". :fear:

2nd, because most people won't see those pictures and realize you've done the below... :high5:

3, because this is the world we live in. Shoot first, ask questions later. ;) :lalala: This is NOT directed at AK. He's usually a very good (contributing) member of this forum, IMO. This statement is a generalization... ;)


Annnnnnnnnnnd ya wanna herd cats? Host a Ladies Ride... ;) THAT is herding cats.. hehehee (BUT I LOVE IT!) :rockon:

Back to the regularly scheduled program......................... :face-icon-small-coo

Where as I appreciate all comments, I feel compelled to respond, as you are speaking as to the integrity of our business. I too am disappointed that you thought we hadn't properly assessed the situation and suggested that Mr Rasmussen was NOT teaching the clinic correctly. I would think... you should have first inquired if we determined the avy danger levels and if we were properly prepared and trained...

If you had not assumed the worst off the bat (why is that most often the case on this forum?) you would have considered that we were not reckless and that we made decisions based upon first hand knowledge of the current terrain, weather history and research... avy danger levels for NW slopes were GREEN (please see attachment), ground layer was SOLID with no loose pack, beacons on EVERY rider and safety discussions prior to departing on our ride and then also once we reached our destination. We did our due diligence...

...anyway, on a lighter note... have you ever tried to herd cats? Impossible.
 
But Brandy, you are soooooo good at it! :face-icon-small-win I couldn't think of a better leader...

I do wish they had different fonts or typefaces for tones of voice... and even a sarcasm font as well :)

I am hyper sensitive at this point and do feel the tone of my response came off stronger than intended. I just felt there was insinuation that I (we) would place people in danger. I do apologize and I just want to instill in others that safety is FIRST no matter what!

AK had a very valid point and I do appreciate the concern. I hope this doesn't completely reflect on me in a poor light, I just want prospective clients to know that we are operating a professional and safe operation here.

Thank you Brandy, as usual, the voice of reason. :face-icon-small-hap
 
Props to you and Mr. Rasmussen for pulling off the clinic in less than desirable conditions. I've been enjoying Canadian deep snow these last few days and watching / thinking about the folks that participated in your clinic.

I would count myself lucky to have had the opportunity to learn from one of the best on how to ride aggresively in less than stellar conditions. The participants, in my book, should count themselves lucky!! Wish I could have been there!
 
Where as I appreciate all comments, I feel compelled to respond because you are speaking as to the integrity of my business and to the safety of our participants. I too am disappointed that you assumed we hadn't properly assessed the situation and suggested that Mr Rasmussen was NOT teaching the clinic correctly. I would think... you should have first inquired if we determined the avy danger levels and if we were properly prepared and trained...

If you had not assumed the worst off the bat (why is that most often the case on this forum?) you would have considered that we were not reckless and that we made decisions based upon first hand knowledge of the current terrain, weather history and research... avy danger levels for NW slopes were GREEN (please see attachment), ground layer was SOLID with no loose pack, beacons on EVERY rider and safety discussions prior to departing on our ride and then also once we reached our destination. We did our due diligence...

...anyway, on a lighter note... have you ever tried to herd cats? Impossible.

Quote from MODSLEDDER from the AVY forum "And finally, when are so called "experienced" sledders going to stop putting more than one life in danger at a time??!!

It is absolutely unacceptable to have 2, let alone 4 riders on a slope at the same time. Use your heads people!!"

This I agree with...regardless of your perceived avy conditions. It is sort of like the conditions are green so we dont need beacons..then the one time you do you forget it because you have been selective on when you do and dont. Another analogy would be to disregard the next" consider any weapon loaded..even if some tells you its unloaded or you think so yourself"

I have seen slides in areas that had low avy conditions and only about a 3-4 feet snow depth even one that killed a young man.


Personnally, I didnt see AK's post as an attack just an observation. AKsnowrider has always been a very level headed and contributing member. Take his feedback with thanks..he is right most of the time! His sled riding experiance rivals most here and with that his opinion is respected.

Like Brandy I will give my two cents worth.

1. In business we try not to be defensive but instead "welcome" feedback good and bad and utilize it as a tool. To be able to welcome feedback is a business skill that many dont have and dont understand..with experiance you will grow to handle it better.. It is something that is paramouint in any sucessful business.

I saw some of your other defensive remarks from your original post advertising your business event...it may have been somewhat justified but like some others, my perception was, that this is someone that doesnt want to hear anybody else's opinion. This perception is probably wrong (I hope so) and you are most likely a very caring person or you wouldnt be so passionate in your responses....however...... I and some others lost interest in your original posting for this event because of that defensiveness...just a limited response but I am sure there are others that felt similar.

2. In my world I dont second guess an avy report and make a decision based on science that can change on a moments noitice regarding more than one on a hill at a time..obviously all went well so great job. However conditions can and will change hourly and what is in a report is only a generalized statement for a broad area..every area and each meter may be different than the overall report.

3. AK saw what is called "perception" remember, in business..perception is truth until proven otherwise.

I am sure you probably took all the percautions and had release of negligence waivers signed and seem to be passionate about your business and that is respectable..just dont get defensive when you see feedback wether right or wrong.

A great example is Rob from Fbomb racing. He has had some shots from others at what he does/makes...he is always so balanced with his responses. he will give facts and testing data yet he stays away from any pissing matches as it will not do business any good anyway. Arguing is not good marketing.
Let your record and business model speak for itself and you will be just fine.

Glad to hear that your outting was sucessful and I wish you the best of luck in any future endeavors!.
cheers!
 
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I do wish they had different fonts or typefaces for tones of voice... and even a sarcasm font as well :)

I am hyper sensitive at this point and do feel the tone of my response came off stronger than intended. I just felt there was insinuation that I (we) would place people in danger. I do apologize and I just want to instill in others that safety is FIRST no matter what!

AK had a very valid point and I do appreciate the concern. I hope this doesn't completely reflect on me in a poor light, I just want prospective clients to know that we are operating a professional and safe operation here.

I guess at this juncture, if I post anything it will be construed as defensive :face-icon-small-sad I guess my point (above) was missed completely, I NEVER insinuated an attack by AK and I am at a loss. For those of you who have ever had any chance to speak to me on a personal basis or have met me, will know my tone of voice and not misread any of this as defensive, just a conversation and a response to the best of my ability.... I "talk" much better than I "type" and am sorry if I "lost" your interest :face-icon-small-sad

If anyone questions the validity of my plea, feel free to pick up the phone and give me a call, I would love to talk and I am interested in making new friends... not for my business, but for me as a person... and if you still believe I am not who I claim to be, so be it.

I was trying to be proud of for pulling myself out of a dark hole and trying something I thought would be fun and inspiring and I was quite excited to have something to share finally on the forum...

I found both praise and resistance and I expected that and suppose I can accept it. What I have always practiced though, is to respond to criticism and negativity when deserved as an opportunity and when it is not, with rebuttal and clarification. Sorry, but that is just how I am built and I doubt at my age I will change soon, but again, you really need to know my personal tone of voice and without having the opportunity to have met me, you wouldn't know that. (most of you have met each other on here)

Half seem to think I am defensive and the other half offensive... :face-icon-small-con

Well at this point I guess I will post my number for those willing to call and talk (425) 268-1969.

...and for those who I have offended, I will stop posting for the time being. Strange that with all the "colorful" posts I have read on this forum, this one gets soooo much attention...

Thanks anyway.
 
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I am hyper sensitive at this point


Your skin will thicken... ;) You will get to a point where you read a post that is truly attacking you and you'll not even respond... :p Atleast that is where I hope you get because that is quite possibly what is needed to succeed in this industry and moreso in this state. All my opinion. :face-icon-small-win

:wave:

Now, how's the next clinic coming along? :devil:
 
CG hit it dead on. There are those that are just looking for an argument on anything. Seldom with a solution. CG's observation that it is more pronounced in Washington is an excellant observation. IF I said the sky is blue today you can rest assured that there will be someone that disagrees and wants to really let you know that it is not blue but Cyan instead.

Why is it so much more pronounced here in Washington..passive aggression perhaps? Bad snow in January quite often. Riding areas that have limited play areas that funnell riders into the same area? Who knows...this may be another unsolved mystery!
 
I attended this clinic, and thought I would share my take...

I am not a great sled rider, but I want to be. Which is why I jumped at the chance to attend a Ride Rasmussen Style clinic presented by Twisted Terrain. If you don’t know who world champion rider Bret Rasmussen is, you need to check out the Schooled and Schooled Again instruction videos. You can also get more information on Bret and Ride Rasmussen Style at: http://www.riderasmussenstyle.com

Twisted Terrain Promotions, who brought Bret in for three days of riding and instruction, hosted the clinic in the Washington Cascades. A hosted event of this type was exactly what I was looking for, for these reasons:

1) It was much closer geographically than other clinics.
2) It was more cost effective
3) It was a package deal, which included lodging, all meals, etc.
4) All logistics were handled by someone else.

This was truly a turnkey event. I just had to show up with my sled and ride. The biggest responsibilities on my part were: getting dressed in the morning, fueling the sled up, driving to the sno-park. Twisted Terrain was so accommodating and helpful that I probably could have gotten away with only performing one of those tasks.

The Twisted Terrain / Ride Rasmussen Style clinic I attended was held outside of Cle Elum, Washington in mid-January. It included three nights of lodging and three days of riding with Bret. The lodging consisted of a private room and bathroom in a very nicely furnished newer resort-style cabin only 15 minutes or so from the riding area. Meals were all home cooked, with a full breakfast and hot multi-course dinner with appetizer. This wasn't frozen pizza or heat-up fare, but fresh hot meals like salmon, pork loin, lasagna, soups, desert, etc. Sack lunches were made to order. Plenty of food was on-hand at all times to satisfy about any craving.

We had an outstanding group, consisting of mostly riders from Washington. Along with us clinic riders there was a videographer (Shaun Brender from Kobra Kai Productions) who captured some of the antics on film, and a still photographer (Zack Kinnear). I feel fortunate to have been in the company of all that were involved – everyone from Bret and his assistant Tony, Jana and her crew from Twisted Terrain, some of the local riders who helped us navigate through the mountains and the rest of the clinic group. They were all super cool, and hanging out with the whole group in the evenings was almost as much fun as the riding. I learned a lot during those evenings, asking Bret and others all kinds of questions and gaining new insights.

The riding was unlike any I had done before. Much of the area received between 7-11 inches of rain in the days before the clinic. While there was still plenty of snow for sledding, and the weather was nice, there were a variety of creeks and drainages to deal with while accessing the higher terrain. This necessitated some creative route finding here and there. Quite honestly, I was a little out of my comfort zone a few times. Although looking back this was exactly what I needed, and gave me some skills and confidence that I might not have found otherwise. I was also never alone, as there were always several pairs of hands around to help with a pull or push as needed – riding was really a team effort. It was also comforting knowing that I had one of the best riders in the world right there willing to help if I got into too much trouble.

Climbing to higher elevations we were able to find some decent play areas, including one absolutely gorgeous bowl. Here is where we worked with Bret and received advanced instruction and instant feedback on our riding style and techniques, such as wrong-foot-forward, the bulldog maneuver etc. Bret was always available to discuss technique and provide pointers as needed. I was able to explain, and demonstrate, some of my own hang ups with the riding techniques, with Bret showing me ways to overcome them and offering encouragement. While Bret does encourage you to step outside your comfort zone a little in order to learn, I never felt that I had to push myself beyond what i was capable of or do things that I wasn't ready for. The Rasmussen clinics are designed to accommodate all levels of riders, and you learn at your own pace in a non-threatening environment.

Snow conditions are always a bit of a gamble with events such as these. Twisted Terrain was able to use their expertise and knowledge of the area to adjust as needed to provide the best possible experience. They also solicited the group to understand what the group wanted or needed out of the day and took this into consideration. I never felt that I was along for the ride, but more like I was part of the adventure. I definitely learned a lot, and the entire trip really was awesome from start to finish. I came home feeling like I had accomplished something, and with some new friends. I would also like to add as a side note that my Klim gear performed flawlessly. Even with the fluctuating weather, and the amount we were working at times, I never got hot, wet, or damp from perspiration. It kept me warm and dry, regardless of the conditions or my activity level.

I would highly recommend that you attend a Rasmussen clinic sometime soon, you will learn a ton and it will be one of the best snowmobile experiences of your life. If you do, a Twisted Terrain experience is one of the best ways to make this happen. They are truly top notch and will go out of their way to make sure you are taken care of and have the best possible time, on and off the snow. Twisted Terrain has two more Ride Rasmussen Style events scheduled in Washington this winter (Leavenworth and Mt. Baker). You can view upcoming event details on their site at: http://twistedterrain.com/events.html

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This was truly a turnkey event. I just had to show up with my sled and ride. The biggest responsibilities on my part were: getting dressed in the morning, fueling the sled up, driving to the sno-park. Twisted Terrain was so accommodating and helpful that I probably could have gotten away with only performing one of those tasks.

If someone would dress me in the morning... that would ROCK! LOL :roll:

Very nice review. I hope this will help some understand the value here. I think with this being a new venture and without previous attendees to give the public such feedback... no one could have truly known the extent to which you get cared for on and off the snow!! :thumb:
 
glad he was ok..but disapointed to see 3 guys on a hill at once in a ride clinic...we should be teaching proper back country avy safety as well I would think...:focus:

Hi AK

Good feedback, and thanks for asking questions/raising the issue. I was there, and I can assure you that the group was avy aware. Nobody rode without a beacon, probe, shovel, etc. This is a requirement of riding with Bret, who has taken the avy challenge at www.avychallenge.com. We always performed beacon checks, monitored the forecast, and spotted each other when necessary. I was constantly watching/checking the terrain and conditions (being responsible for my own personal safety as well as the groups). While the area we rode definitely has the potential for avalanches, conditions and relevant info/data did not raise concern and it gave all appearances of being very stable. But as you know, these are not excuses for taking any chances or letting your guard down.

There were probably 30+ people riding up there at that time. Was there more than one person on a slope at any given time? Probably here and there, but this was more coincidental than anything else. I know that our group made their best attempt at following safe practices.

Anyway, I didn't want anyone to get the idea that the group was not prepared and aware or being reckless in any way.

Again AK, thanks for pointing out your concerns. We all need to hold each other accountable.
 
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I would have to say that improved avy awareness in the backcountry is what I learned from this clinic. This was the first time I had every wore a beacon, or studied a slope with someone that has Brett experience level. With the guys from Oregon that had just completed avy courses, the nights were filled with plenty of discussion and it was a definate wakeup call for me seeing video's of slopes sliding that were not what I would have ever considered a danger. I guess what I need to figure out is when you are in a large area how do you educate people not in your group about the dangers??? My luck is not always the best when trying to bring up the subject and the usual respone I get is a finger and attitude.... any ideas..... oh yeah, If you stare at an object that you want to avoid long enough the odds are you will hit it.
 
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