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Fix it kit or 860 or do i put a ol carb motor in a Dragon

Snow Duck

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ok guys i have finally grown up and ready to move off trailing arm sleds..i am currently buying a 09 163 dragon with a click over 2000 miles and a blown up motor..So i guess what i am asking here is that it dropped a piston skirt and tore up most of the motor!! As we all know.....So should i get the used case i found and new cyl's and go back to the 800 with the fix kit or do i make a 860 out of it?

Thanks for your input and ideas!!
 
That's a very tough call, Regardless your going to be very happy on the IQ chassis! Is money a deciding factor? reliability?
 
Indy Specialty

I am putting one of Dan's new long rod torque master motors in my 09 d8 right now. For me it seemed the only way to truely fix the motor issue for good. PM me next week and I will tell ya how it does.
 
x3 on the Indy Specialties long rod, installed one for a guy a couple weeks ago and i have to say very smooth running engine. Dan is a stand up guy, I would give him a call and let him explain why this is your best option.
 
what does that motor cost if you have a core? A friend just sent his 700 to be rebuilt there
 
$3500 plus shipping and then the price of shipping your old motor to him. Pretty damn reasonable for THREE YEAR WARRANTY!
 
I went a different route I didn't have the $3500 to spend on a indy dan motor. I bought a new bottom end renick cyl. and the PMS fix it kit and and was right around $1800 all said and done. I am taking it out for the first time this weekend, can't wait to try it out.
 
The other option from Indy Specialties is a new top end with exchange cylinders that have been renicked and sized to pistons and cylinder skirts have been bridged and beefed up. Think its around $995 for cylinders and pistons. Also comes with a THREE YEAR WARRANTY against cylinder skirt breakage.

To my knowledge, no other kit comes with a warranty-- this is why I would go with Indy Specialties.
 
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why you should buy the MTNTK fix kit

Originally Posted by MTNTK

I appreciate the comments on our products, but there are a few things your not getting quite right. Polaris built this motor to be very compact and lighter than previously designed engines. This being said there were compromises made that they thought were "acceptable".

One of those were to shorten the piston as much as possible. This kit is not a rod ratio change nor does it fix a rod ratio. it does not use pistons with a higher rod location to allow a longer rod to change thrust loading. Nor has any of our research found that the polaris engine had improper thrust loading on the piston.

If the thrust loading problems were true, then you and i would have seen scoring and piston damage on the thrust side of the pistion/cyl. I have never had a problem with the thrust/intake side of the piston. It always looks good, but the exhaust side looks really bad. But it is interesting to look at the design of the polaris engine, because it looks like an engine that they were trying to eliminate rod thrust loading because the stock piston has a rod pin location that is high on the piston almost like they were trying to get the longest rod possible without getting any deck height increase.

What our kit does do is raise the cylinder up and allow us to put a taller piston in the cylinder. What we found is that the polaris engine has excessive piston to cylinder clearance. this allows the piston to rock in the bore effectively using the top and bottom edges of the piston instead of the entire bearing surface of the skirt.

I have a very reliable source that stated polaris had a severe piston heating problem in the prototyping of the engine and so they elected to go with increased clearance to prevent piston seizure. This heat problem was fixed with the ecu reflash. The clearance combined with the piston design causes the piston to scrape the cylinder wall on the compression stroke, especially the exhaust side.

This is why the piston looked like it ran out of oil on the exhaust side but not the intake. This is why the engine would never totally fail, just slowly start to run bad, not going into reverse and then hard to start and then put, put, put and barely back to the trailer. This is also why there was an interesting phenomenon that when using a turbo on this engine it would last longer than stock. Everyone thought it was a fuel issue, but it was not. It was a piston size problem. The turbo added heat and the piston grew taking up the clearance.

The taller piston benefit can be easily described by the analogy if you have a smart car(which is a very short car!) on a single lane highway it would be much easier to turn around without going off the road than it would be to turn a tractor trailer semi (a very long vehicle)around on the same road. The piston does the same thing. It can't move away from the cylinder wall nearly as easy if it is longer and has tighter clearance than the stock piston. This makes horsepower in more than one way.

The first way is because the piston is not leaned over it holds cylinder pressure longer and makes the power stroke longer. The second way is the piston is 40 grams lighter so there are not as much parasitic losses internally. Third and less known is the piston slap is reduced and excessive piston slap can set off the detonation sensor and back off timing. fourth is the previously stated crankcase volume increase, which has been proven in numerous sae studies with tuned pipes is almost always beneficial for engines designed for peak power.

On our dyno it made 4.9 hp more and that was on a totally stock 2010 engine, airbox, and fuel. I hope this sheds some light on the product and I hope you can have some faith in it that we don't just come up with some gimic or "widget" and sell you on it. We test, we prove, we cannot sell you something we do not believe in. I welcome any more questions. Shawn, Mountain Tek Performance.
 
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