Filter pod users, BEWARE!!

[PJ-Hunter]

Your right about the pipe. Ive ran into that very problem a few years ago.
Fresh fuel doesn't always mean its good. Couldve had water in it. The extra timing in the mid or hight water temps can cause deto in the right conditions.

ive ran pods on the 860 for a few years with no problems. The dpm isnt worth having on a mod motor.

Hope you get r back up soon.

I put my stocker back in. I'll have to wait until I get new pistons from RKT and the cylinder repaired at US Chrome. Will mail it tomorrow! I have had many discussions with Kelsey and Tom at BRP. Once I get the replacement stuff I should be ok. I have a set of BRP twins that I wanted to try and Tom said that they will be safe on either motor since he did the correct re-curve! Gonna head out tomorrow and do a couple of runs to make sure everything is ok before I start hitting it hard again. I tossed the pods into a box and put the airbox back on. I can't afford to take that chance again!

 

[THEPOWDERHOUND]

how many miles did you have on these pods.the jetting on these 827 can be finicky ive seen it first hand. so before i got on here and bashed someones product.i would make sure i knew what i was talkin about.--jim

 

[hymark860]

WHY RUN PODS? U DONT GET MORE AIR? THE AIR U DO GET IS WARM!! i RUN IN THE MOUNTAINS IN 4 FEET OF SNOW WITH NO BOGGING ISSUES AND I RUN A 888 WITH DPM. i JUST THINK PODS ARE NOT WORTH WHILE.

i disaggree. my 860 wont run with a airbox without major mods. Pods work for me all day long.

 

[PJ-Hunter]

I had 100 miles on the motor/pods! When I explained the situation and the equipment that I had installed on my sled, each tech (2 of them) and Kelsey at RKT all had the same exact thing to say regarding the DPM. None of them "bashed" the product in general, they basically laid the blame on filter pods themselves. I stated that I was disappointed in the system that I purchased. It didn't deliver as it was promised. I had to re-jet, there was no power increase, in fact it was a loss of power! I had the DPM tested and it works fine. The thing is my sled ran fine with the airbox, I installed the pods and my problems started, coupled with the mis-matched pipe my sled burned down.
So, only after I spoke with people that knew way more than I do, did I start this thread.

Maybe those that run pods know something I don't, maybe they have a trick, such as bypassing the DPM. Maybe they ride in an area where the elevation doesn't change that much. I really don't know! I know that three different experts told me that disconnecting the airbox from the DPM was part of the problem.

I decided to try the pods because my last sled ran awesome with them. But it had a HAC, not DPM! I wish I knew how I could get the pods to work with my sled, as I like the room they free up and the weight that they save. maybe pods are better suited for the SDI sleds and not carbs. Again, I really don't know. I do know that my airbox is on now and my sled runs perfectly.

It was never my intention to outright bash the Mfr of the product. Did the product deliver as promised, for me, no. Do I feel ripped off, yes! I would expect higher quality filters, such as K&N or Kicka$$ Filters for the price that I paid, as would anyone else! essentially I paid $200 bucks for a few pieces of aluminum and $25 for the filter.

I followed all instructions and made no shortcuts with the pods.

 

[Jimmy]

DPM is a simple system that can be manipulated into working with pods. The problem here is Timberlsed advertise's the product for a stock 800 motor. You have made numorous changes to your sled and motor and expect the DPM and the timbersled product to be able to compensate for your mod's. Now you are going to start tinkering with the mod sled twins? Good luck with that.

 

[MARCUSO]

DPM is a simple system that can be manipulated into working with pods. The problem here is Timberlsed advertise's the product for a stock 800 motor. You have made numorous changes to your sled and motor and expect the DPM and the timbersled product to be able to compensate for your mod's. Now you are going to start tinkering with the mod sled twins? Good luck with that.

I have to agree.

Too much goodies in your sig to not do some plug readings...Hope you have guages...

 

[piper907]

so... can someone tell me the best way to modify the DPM to work well with pod filters???

 

[Summit Guy]

I have been running pods with dpm for 4 years on my 827, The vacuum for the airbox is plumbed into the end of one pod and the airbox sensor is in the other. No problems what so ever, but the motor is heavily tweaked so I had to start at ground zero for tuning.

 

[PJ-Hunter]

DPM is a simple system that can be manipulated into working with pods. The problem here is Timberlsed advertise's the product for a stock 800 motor. You have made numorous changes to your sled and motor and expect the DPM and the timbersled product to be able to compensate for your mod's. Now you are going to start tinkering with the mod sled twins? Good luck with that.

OK, I have taken the 827 motor out, I have ordered new pistons for it and have sent the damaged cylinder for repair. I put the stock motor back in. The only thing that this motor has done is a shaved head. I spoke with Tom Lawrence at the BRP Race Dept, gave him the info that he needed. I asked him if the BRP twins could run with that motor with the shaved head and the re-curve that he performed. He said that I could. He gave me jetting specs and I followed them. I installed EGTs. I plan on doing a few runs in the morning and make sure that things are in order, only then will I head into the backcountry.

I am running the airbox, I do not want to take the chance at torching another motor. I have spoken with people that know what to do and have done what they have said. As for the NOS, I haven't ran it since last year. I don't want to mess with that until my sled is tuned and clutched correctly. I am not the only one that has started to mod a sled and I am not the only one to have something go wrong with it. There is nothing wrong with wanting a stronger sled. Why this has turned into something where folks are starting to criticize me, I'll never know. I just wanted people to be AWARE of what could go wrong

 

[piper907]

I have been running pods with dpm for 4 years on my 827, The vacuum for the airbox is plumbed into the end of one pod and the airbox sensor is in the other. No problems what so ever, but the motor is heavily tweaked so I had to start at ground zero for tuning.

sounds simple enough... I just have my hose and sensor ziptied between the filter right now...
What is a good way to set up pre-filters when you are running the hose/sensor into the end of the pod???

cut the end off the prefilter???

 

[Jimmy]

OK, I have taken the 827 motor out, I have ordered new pistons for it and have sent the damaged cylinder for repair. I put the stock motor back in. The only thing that this motor has done is a shaved head. I spoke with Tom Lawrence at the BRP Race Dept, gave him the info that he needed. I asked him if the BRP twins could run with that motor with the shaved head and the re-curve that he performed. He said that I could. He gave me jetting specs and I followed them. I installed EGTs. I plan on doing a few runs in the morning and make sure that things are in order, only then will I head into the backcountry.

I am running the airbox, I do not want to take the chance at torching another motor. I have spoken with people that know what to do and have done what they have said. As for the NOS, I haven't ran it since last year. I don't want to mess with that until my sled is tuned and clutched correctly. I am not the only one that has started to mod a sled and I am not the only one to have something go wrong with it. There is nothing wrong with wanting a stronger sled. Why this has turned into something where folks are starting to criticize me, I'll never know. I just wanted people to be AWARE of what could go wrong

It will be a little more involved then just useing someones jetting specs and running it around in the morning to get it right.

What RPM are you going to be running the pipes at?


Not trying to bash you for what you are trying to do. But you need to be aware of what you are getting yourself into. There will be more to it other then following three diffrent peoples opinion's on what you should be doing.

Try to find someone that is running a similar set up and get some advice from them on what worked and what didnt.

 

[PJ-Hunter]

It will be a little more involved then just useing someones jetting specs and running it around in the morning to get it right.

What RPM are you going to be running the pipes at?


Not trying to bash you for what you are trying to do. But you need to be aware of what you are getting yourself into. There will be more to it other then following three diffrent peoples opinion's on what you should be doing.

Try to find someone that is running a similar set up and get some advice from them on what worked and what didnt.

Tom at BRP developed the pipes, They are to run at 8500rpm. I plan on making sure that temps are where they need to be before I head back. If temps are ok, I will take it back, put it in deep snow, on a few hills (can't do the long steeps cause of the horrendous avy danger) and see what the clutching is doing. I realize that it will take a little time to get everything dialed in. I'll get it running good! I have asked around and nobody seems to be running that setup. So I have to take what Tom at BRP says, couple that with the BRP race manual says and go from there.

 

[whitefish]

For sale-air intake kit for 800 REV. Includes pods, aluminum shield thing, prefilters, side panel screen. Pistons not included.

 

[mjm2007]

pod filters

hello guys im in the middle of lookin at buying an 06 rev summit with air filters and dpm sensor mounted in between filters,,,,is it not a good idea to buy it??????can i buy it and put airbox back on or is the motor already teacked?????????????i already had one engine blow in my 2000 summit its not for plzzz help?????????????????

 

[SnowSnob]

Anyone have a pic how they mounted their DPM to their pods??

 

[cruehead]

BRP race department says no problem, mount sensor between pods..

 

[lovethedeep]

ok so whats the best set up...... sounds like some kick a$$ air filters with "air box hose" in the end of one and dpm wires in the end of the other??? is that about the best way to go or do these things still draw to much hot air to add any good power and stop the bog that deeeep powder does to stock intake prob???????

 

[bigcat_ak]

As far as the BRP is concerned, they said for years that there was "NO RING PROBLEM" !!

 

[cruehead]

Ya good point Bigcat the rings on the 01 to 05 800cc engines were crap!!!!!