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Everyone just settle down
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well said
If the price was still in this realm, I'd have to upgrade a track only, and turbo the sled. Have the upgrades I would have done normally.
Shocks, rear skid, loose wheels, add scratchers. They Dropped the attack angle. Just look at it versus a 08 Nytro. Big difference.
So instead of budgeting for extra mods that I would have done anyways(the track is a bit dissappointing but understandable) I can get a turbo installed and be done.
In my opinion Yamaha has done a great job giving us a boost and ride platform. People won't be jumping back on a 2-stroke, more 2-strokers are going to be jumping on Blue.
And a 4-stroke with a proper track(Extreme for instance) is impressive unboosted. May not highmark an XP, but it won't be half a hill down. I think this new Nytro MTX SE is going to impress a lot of non-believers when unboosted. I just can't get over the price. Damn.
Shocks, rear skid, loose wheels, add scratchers. They Dropped the attack angle. Just look at it versus a 08 Nytro. Big difference.
So instead of budgeting for extra mods that I would have done anyways(the track is a bit dissappointing but understandable) I can get a turbo installed and be done.
In my opinion Yamaha has done a great job giving us a boost and ride platform. People won't be jumping back on a 2-stroke, more 2-strokers are going to be jumping on Blue.
And a 4-stroke with a proper track(Extreme for instance) is impressive unboosted. May not highmark an XP, but it won't be half a hill down. I think this new Nytro MTX SE is going to impress a lot of non-believers when unboosted. I just can't get over the price. Damn.
I disagree to some extent. My Nytro was left stock ALL year last year. And I do mean stock. I didn't so much as change clutching or gearing or anything. Everything was as it was right out of the box. It didn't compete with the competition, no way in hell. I had to track poach on many climbs and spent many moments on the bottom of the hill watching everyone make highmarks instead of attacking the hill myself.
This year, with my Timbersled skid, modified clutching, and Poo track, I'm breaking trail, pulling out D8's (with full SLP kits) and XP's, and competing for the highmarks.
So, in short, with some mods to my '08 MTX, in the deep it DOES compete. My buddies cannot believe the difference this year compared to last.
I see the new approach angle, lighter rear suspension, longer track....with some clutch tuning (and hoping the track is INDEED different) this should be a pretty capable machine out of the box...can it be improved with mods, absolutely. But a year of riding stock on the SE for 2010 would be a different world than I saw in '08 on my stock MTX....
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sledneck_03
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big price tag here in canada but it seems like everyone i know is sick of blowing motors and belts that they will pay the price. I have never seen so many nytros out there, ever a couple $22,000 turbo dealership made xtx's here in sask.
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MotoPsycho
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Slick... well.... just stuff it. Yes, I have to spend extra money to have a mountain sled... NO MATTER WHICH P.O.S. I BUY!!! I just prefer to sink the cash into sumthin that will last a couple of years, and a couple of pinecone strikes. Oh, and the oil pump shaft won't eat the gear off the crank.
Tell yer wifey to buy you a huffer or you are gonna leave her... then get over it.
Sawyer, I am disappointed. I thought you were just "a bit" brand loyal. Nobody puts the effort you have into a sled unless they are proud to own it. And much like me, I think yer pizzed you don't own this one...
gee im agreeing with slick...i really thought there was a far reaching chance though that yamaha maybe would have ventured back into the 2 stroke market with the 700 tripple..there is 2 stroke market share up for grabs for yamaha if they chose because of their quality workmanship..
Yamaha going to a 2 stroke would be like 'doo building a 650 pound mountain sled. They've concreted their position in the 4 stroke market, and they are pioneers in that market. The greatest form of flattery is imitation, which is exactly what 'doo is giving to Yamaha, by building their 4-tech 1200. People need to lose the idea that 50 or 100 pounds makes all the difference in the world...it's only when you get stuck do you feel the weight, and I've pulled out plenty of XP's, which aren't light when you're digging them out either! Yamaha concentrated on improving their riding and performance in the pow....gotta give them respect for that. I think poeple will be amazed at how they perform when they hit the snow. Are they gonna be the leaders in the deep and steep, nope, not yet anyway....but they are getting closer and closer...and they'll last a lot longer, so maybe paying some $$ for mods isn't so bad if you can keep it long enough to really get the use out of it.
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Slick
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Wow, maybe I should re-think my post. Its really scary that a dough-head with a constant barrage of immature me me me posts should be agreeing with my opinion.
And moto-phsyco whatever, re-read, as I said " the boost is nice ".
I think they have nailed the Nytro; as far as a 130-140hp sled goes or a boost plateform it's damned near perfect (except for the steering post angle which I still dislike and probably the track). They do seem to keep improving the maverick; the 08 maverick is definitely much stiffer and more durable then the '06.
I'm am looking forward to a 155hp Nytro/Aprex though, I was hoping it was going to be this year so a few other folks could be the test pilots - I hate buying the first model year.
I'm am looking forward to a 155hp Nytro/Aprex though, I was hoping it was going to be this year so a few other folks could be the test pilots - I hate buying the first model year.
one problem though slick...ya gotta think in the first place before considering rethinking....so rethinking just aint gonna be part of your lifestlye
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boosted1
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one problem
I love the Yammis but every year there is one constant with their snowmobiles, they will never compete with the current 2 strokes
take the Apex for example, I ran one for 1 season stock Apex 162" I could not compete with a stock 700RMK 151,,,hill climbing.
now the new Nytro has some nice improvements, but i have seen a stock 600 RMK make those 151 Nytros look stupid in the hills...no bull
so if you pay 16K CAD for a Nytro... I say you have WAY too much money to spend on a 600 class performer!
The Apex and Nytro simply have no deep snow capabilities.
Im back in the 2 stroke game again with a M8 162" and couldnt be happier! the M8 flat out rocks!
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I love the Yammis but every year there is one constant with their snowmobiles, they will never compete with the current 2 strokes
take the Apex for example, I ran one for 1 season stock Apex 162" I could not compete with a stock 700RMK 151,,,hill climbing.
now the new Nytro has some nice improvements, but i have seen a stock 600 RMK make those 151 Nytros look stupid in the hills...no bull
so if you pay 16K CAD for a Nytro... I say you have WAY too much money to spend on a 600 class performer!
The Apex and Nytro simply have no deep snow capabilities.
Im back in the 2 stroke game again with a M8 162" and couldnt be happier! the M8 flat out rocks!
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What year? How compared riders? I smoke many older 600s and 700s with my nearly stock Nytro. I think with those statements you really have no clue what you are talking about. They are as equal sleds when climbing and it all comes down to the rider. BTW the stock Nytro has a 153", not a 151.
Right, and it was not much more than 10 years ago, a 136" track with 2
paddles was a MONSTER MOUNTAIN SLED! Those of us riding for that long would know you'd be surprised where you could even take those sleds, I shutter today to think about that and where we did end up by mid-day with those sleds.
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Slick
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Why is it you always get someone who has a stock 600 lb 130 HP whatever, telling us how dumb we are cause HIS special stock sled will whoop a$$ on the stock 530 lb 130 HP machines. C'mon man, we've all ridden with the stock Nytro's, great machine, but hey they are what they are. If you need to whoop a$$ climbing or playing in deep snow hills, """news flash"", a 600 lb stock sled with intermediate HP ain't your best choice and if you're equal to the 150 HP 530 ish lb sleds, the snow was apparently pretty set up. DUH !
And yeah if the snows hard you can compete on a 600 anything, but who cares, then we'll all go home.
And the 136's were great, but I thought you were comparing the stock Nytro to todays sleds. Imagine comparing the deep snow capabilities of the XP, M8, or D8 to those older sleds.
Not ragging on this topic, just really disapointed that Yammi didn't step up with a deep snow sled that we could ride without boost. And yes I've ridden and ridden with a lot of Nytros the last couple years, good riders and mainly deep snow.
Oh I understand you and agree, just frustrating when someone makes huge ridiculous claims and the Nytro isn't a mountain sled, and that it can't ride in the deep.
Sure it won't outclimb a stock 800, but we all know that. The biggest things is I just want people to be realistic to what we know this Sled can do and does do.
Also to be realistic with Yamaha.
And to say that Yamaha didn't build a sled for deep snow without boost, just look at the new 162" SE Nytro. Its as great as a non boost stock sled Yamaha has ever made. TONS of changes compared to the 08/09s. Maybe the new Maverick is better and stiffer, floats all around, its a very capable sled, deep snow sled.
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Slick
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The bolded print is my point. Thats exactly the part thats disappointing.
Some people prefer 2 strokes, I prefer my Nytro set up the way I have it. I can run with my buddys on their 800's, often pulling them out. Sure, I get stuck from time to time, nothing like last year, though. If you are disappointed, fine....no biggie, and no skin off my back. Yamaha's aren't for everyone, but they sure are for ME!
It's actually a different track, single ply and different durometer, info says it's same weight as the 09 153
Feel's a lot stiffer
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NOSZED
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Thats funny, beacause I could highmark my buddys mod 800 rmk with my stock Gapex(as they like to call it) last year, and have footage to prove it.This year its a Tapex and know he has one 2
Someone might need riding lessons
