Etec Turbo
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Jbest103
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The kit itslef was really nice the fit and finish was good. Took a while to get the fuel controller they kept doing updates with it. Finally got it and the tune still isnt that great. Has a low end bog that is annoying when playing around in the trees. Once spooled up the thing pulls hard thats for sure. I was running 10-12 pounds last year on straight race and it was for sure putting down some power. Doing a 3 inch track and toms rear skid this summer as the sled was a hand full to ride last year. Been talking with neil about his boost it system and he has a couple guys that want to test their turbo etec's locally with him. Hoping to have his system on before my first ride this season. The current controller doesnt have very precise tuning capabilities i think thats what is holding it back. Overall i am pleased with the kit it gets alot of looks out in the hills thats for sure!
I'm running and aero charger on a 2011 etec. Runs well....
freeride turbo
I snowchecked a freeride an I would like to turbo it what do you guys think the best turbo kit is just tryin to get some opinions
I snowchecked a freeride an I would like to turbo it what do you guys think the best turbo kit is just tryin to get some opinions
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Love-n-Life
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The guys at aerocharger by far have the most refined kit. The key to turboing an etec is the fuel control system. Until others get that figured out the sled will continue to have bogging problems.
There is lots of good info on here about the aerocharger etec. Do a search. Also give those guys a call. They were very quick to respond. They were the first on the snow last year and work to refine the kits all year last year. The kits are spot on for 2012.
I had a aerocharged etec last year and put close to 1000 miles on. Other than keeping an eye on the reeds (which you have to do with any turbo) sled work great.
I don't think you will be disappointed.
There is lots of good info on here about the aerocharger etec. Do a search. Also give those guys a call. They were very quick to respond. They were the first on the snow last year and work to refine the kits all year last year. The kits are spot on for 2012.
I had a aerocharged etec last year and put close to 1000 miles on. Other than keeping an eye on the reeds (which you have to do with any turbo) sled work great.
I don't think you will be disappointed.
Bog
Just my 2cents, I don't know turbos as well as the guy/s running them. What I doo know is a bud with an aero on his tec and he can't get the B O G out of it. I was so ready to get one but as I see they aren't perfected with fueling. As for 12maybe they have it dialed and I'm sure some have them running good. His experience made me opt for a carb turbo for my 09 and waiting for the e-tec. Also they have 2 T kits, those have fueling issues as well. This is Montana/Canada riding. I'm not bashing any kits, just thought I should chime in because last year they said they were dialed and the ones I knew about werent(again not saying all) and I'n my closing statement "God Bless the T U R B O!!!!!!"
Just my 2cents, I don't know turbos as well as the guy/s running them. What I doo know is a bud with an aero on his tec and he can't get the B O G out of it. I was so ready to get one but as I see they aren't perfected with fueling. As for 12maybe they have it dialed and I'm sure some have them running good. His experience made me opt for a carb turbo for my 09 and waiting for the e-tec. Also they have 2 T kits, those have fueling issues as well. This is Montana/Canada riding. I'm not bashing any kits, just thought I should chime in because last year they said they were dialed and the ones I knew about werent(again not saying all) and I'n my closing statement "God Bless the T U R B O!!!!!!"
The smartest builders have kept them unreleased for just this reason, they are not ready YET.
This yr will bring several methods to fix the problem in fueling. I look forward to the in field results..
The skunk works are busy,,LOL
Gus
This yr will bring several methods to fix the problem in fueling. I look forward to the in field results..
The skunk works are busy,,LOL
Gus
MOSKI...
Can you take some photos of your buds sled and turbo install?
Also, could you have him post up on here with his input... it will benefit our readers to have 1st hand experience.
Some of the bog issues in both the Trask and Aerocharger kits that are claimed above could be related to "over-octane"... are you running straight race gas, or 100LL (which is 104 MON) and have you determined if it truly needs all that octane... too much octane for your needs is a performance inhibitor.
These turbo threads seem to be the breeding grounds for Bashing and trash talk as people defend/justify their very expensive purchases for the sleds...
Lets try to keep these turbo threads clean, bash-free and factual (with less speculation and 3rd party input)... That will be better for all involved, the buyer and the mfg.
Can you take some photos of your buds sled and turbo install?
Also, could you have him post up on here with his input... it will benefit our readers to have 1st hand experience.
Some of the bog issues in both the Trask and Aerocharger kits that are claimed above could be related to "over-octane"... are you running straight race gas, or 100LL (which is 104 MON) and have you determined if it truly needs all that octane... too much octane for your needs is a performance inhibitor.
These turbo threads seem to be the breeding grounds for Bashing and trash talk as people defend/justify their very expensive purchases for the sleds...
Lets try to keep these turbo threads clean, bash-free and factual (with less speculation and 3rd party input)... That will be better for all involved, the buyer and the mfg.
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Aerocharger_Brad
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Bogs can happen for many reasons including clutching, fuel settings and like MH brings up, too much octane. The E-Tec does not respond very well to over octane near as well as the PRO or M8. If you were to put 112 in a stock E-Tec you would have a very bad bog. We do have a new RAVE control for this year that helps bottom end response but is not a cure for over octane. Please have your friend call me so we can help him out. 913.541.0200
We will be doing a lot of test rides this year and welcome everybody to come ride.
Here is a video of a production kit from last year. This does not include any of the refinements for this year. Note all current customers can be upgraded at any time.
Just saying
The guy I'm speaking of( he probably won't be on here til snow flies) is FredW, go read his post and see his pics. From what I've seen/ heard he's done plenty of wrenching every weekend trying to get it dialed / clutching/ gearing/ fuel/ re-maps/ cooler delete, etc.... I just thought the guy with the Freeride asking about kits should hear something other than "plug n play" Even the guy who started this thread said he has a bog and the tune isn't that great as well as GB( with the world of T knowledge) saying there not quite there. I am by no means bashing kit A or T, hell I have $1000 deposit on a turbo from last year sitting at a shop that didn't release their kit, and I'll request it back and buy kit a,b,c or x,y,z ( if it's dialed) I will end I'n saying without the turbo builders pushing forward and building/tuning we the consumers are that much farther behind, so I commend all of you!!!!
The guy I'm speaking of( he probably won't be on here til snow flies) is FredW, go read his post and see his pics. From what I've seen/ heard he's done plenty of wrenching every weekend trying to get it dialed / clutching/ gearing/ fuel/ re-maps/ cooler delete, etc.... I just thought the guy with the Freeride asking about kits should hear something other than "plug n play" Even the guy who started this thread said he has a bog and the tune isn't that great as well as GB( with the world of T knowledge) saying there not quite there. I am by no means bashing kit A or T, hell I have $1000 deposit on a turbo from last year sitting at a shop that didn't release their kit, and I'll request it back and buy kit a,b,c or x,y,z ( if it's dialed) I will end I'n saying without the turbo builders pushing forward and building/tuning we the consumers are that much farther behind, so I commend all of you!!!!
after your text, i had to take a look here...lol
last year i installed two trask turbos and one areo, both kit installs are basic installs and can be done in a day, fit in finsh is great
the trask systems never came with fuel controllers till three months latter and to date still have a bog, last ride out with updated fuel box, it was better, but still eveident, squeaked mag side and not happy owners
i ran the areo with similar fuel problems, by the end of the season i was on my third fuel controller and removed the intercooler but still had hessatation, i also blew the reeds as the trask owners did as well, i finished the season with a blown voltage regulaor from backfiring, nothing covered by the turbo manufactures, and three fuel boxes in the toolbox
tried all sorts of octane and recived all sorts of info from others and dealers on how to fix issues with no luck, called areo and trask many times
i bought the turbos to make big power, and had no intentions at running at lower boost, but not one person i talked with all season that was making over 8lbs, could make them run with out hessitaion, there was one etec running 6 lbs all winter, but my 880 on nitrous was their as well
i do feel their was a lack of research and dev, with the trasks, and both needed to have more testing done to sell a finished no hessitaion kit
i received a call mid summer from boondocker, and they said they have a kit out as well, and said they make their own fuel boxes and tested all summer... thats when i started to laugh
there is no way in hell i will buy another kit till i have driven it on the snow at my elevation i ride at and done above 9 lbs boost, and tested against my 880, getting tired of being the ginney pig
we will have both trask turbos kits for sale soon, and areo will get one more ride as well and a decision will be made, i am tired of bs sales
both trask and aero guys have been helpfull and answer calls, just cannot fix the hessitation issues
last year i installed two trask turbos and one areo, both kit installs are basic installs and can be done in a day, fit in finsh is great
the trask systems never came with fuel controllers till three months latter and to date still have a bog, last ride out with updated fuel box, it was better, but still eveident, squeaked mag side and not happy owners
i ran the areo with similar fuel problems, by the end of the season i was on my third fuel controller and removed the intercooler but still had hessatation, i also blew the reeds as the trask owners did as well, i finished the season with a blown voltage regulaor from backfiring, nothing covered by the turbo manufactures, and three fuel boxes in the toolbox
tried all sorts of octane and recived all sorts of info from others and dealers on how to fix issues with no luck, called areo and trask many times
i bought the turbos to make big power, and had no intentions at running at lower boost, but not one person i talked with all season that was making over 8lbs, could make them run with out hessitaion, there was one etec running 6 lbs all winter, but my 880 on nitrous was their as well
i do feel their was a lack of research and dev, with the trasks, and both needed to have more testing done to sell a finished no hessitaion kit
i received a call mid summer from boondocker, and they said they have a kit out as well, and said they make their own fuel boxes and tested all summer... thats when i started to laugh
there is no way in hell i will buy another kit till i have driven it on the snow at my elevation i ride at and done above 9 lbs boost, and tested against my 880, getting tired of being the ginney pig
we will have both trask turbos kits for sale soon, and areo will get one more ride as well and a decision will be made, i am tired of bs sales
both trask and aero guys have been helpfull and answer calls, just cannot fix the hessitation issues
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Aerocharger_Andrew
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Fred,
I recall speaking with you last year about a hesitation issue. On the E-Tec there are several things that could be causing this issue, but if you watch the video above you will see that this is not a common problem.
Number one is running too much octane in the sled, which you touched on. For most mountain riders we recommend 100 octane at 7psi.
The next thing which you said you had problems with is reeds. Reeds, as I am sure you know, can definitely cause a hesitation problem. The stock E-Tec reeds are the best reeds for bottom end performance, the problem is that they are not extremely durable and will break prematurely. The aftermarket reeds that many people use, while more durable, do cause a hesitation as they do not respond as quickly. They also tend to get lazy after they have been used a while and only make the hesitation they cause even worse. Give us a call before you ride, we should have a solution available, giving stock reed performance with aftermarket durability.
As far as the fueling goes, we have not made a single change to our fuel program since May of 2010 and every E-Tec we sold has the exact same fuel map, including all of the RMSHA Ski-Doo team. The only updates Aerocharger sent out last year were to assist Trask with their fuel map at the end of the season last year.
Lastly, a turbo sled and a big-bore nitrous sled will have a different throttle feel no matter the manufacturer. The throttle feel is something the Ski-Doo race team had to adapt to last year, after switching from their factory built nitrous sleds to a stock sled with a turbocharger installed. While it took some riders a few rides to completely adapt, they grew to love the sleds.
Andrew
Aerocharger, LLC
andrew@aerocharger.com
913.541.0200
I recall speaking with you last year about a hesitation issue. On the E-Tec there are several things that could be causing this issue, but if you watch the video above you will see that this is not a common problem.
Number one is running too much octane in the sled, which you touched on. For most mountain riders we recommend 100 octane at 7psi.
The next thing which you said you had problems with is reeds. Reeds, as I am sure you know, can definitely cause a hesitation problem. The stock E-Tec reeds are the best reeds for bottom end performance, the problem is that they are not extremely durable and will break prematurely. The aftermarket reeds that many people use, while more durable, do cause a hesitation as they do not respond as quickly. They also tend to get lazy after they have been used a while and only make the hesitation they cause even worse. Give us a call before you ride, we should have a solution available, giving stock reed performance with aftermarket durability.
As far as the fueling goes, we have not made a single change to our fuel program since May of 2010 and every E-Tec we sold has the exact same fuel map, including all of the RMSHA Ski-Doo team. The only updates Aerocharger sent out last year were to assist Trask with their fuel map at the end of the season last year.
Lastly, a turbo sled and a big-bore nitrous sled will have a different throttle feel no matter the manufacturer. The throttle feel is something the Ski-Doo race team had to adapt to last year, after switching from their factory built nitrous sleds to a stock sled with a turbocharger installed. While it took some riders a few rides to completely adapt, they grew to love the sleds.
Andrew
Aerocharger, LLC
andrew@aerocharger.com
913.541.0200
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i watched the whole video and due to quality issues its much harder to notice, but there are a few times i can hear the sled do small gurgles, which if you can notice them on a 360p video, you CAN feel them in real life, i know because my sled seems to run a lot better in video's then it does when im riding it. also considering its felker's sled, i would assume it would run perfect compared to a normal user's tuning.
and straight 100 octane for 7psi?? thats a LOT. most could get away with straight 91.. maybe a splash of av gas. that could be an issue as well.
not trying to start chit, just trying to keep everyone honest here.
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Zbroz Racing
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Turbos are fun
In regards to turbos I just want to add if you want one take a $100 dollar bill out of your wallet light it on fire and if you can smile while doing this then a turbo is for you. If not then probably should stick with stock and some minor add ons. Turbos on any sled can be tricky and even the best most well thought out kit can be screwed up in an instant by a few seconds and a control box. Personally I have watched the Aerocharger program with the E-Tec at the RMSHA events and it seems to be working quite well, although I do not own an E-Tec I know that BOGS and such are usually refined with time. Input from good customers usually helps the producer more than constant criticism. Anyway thats my two cents from a Cat guy, LOL
In regards to turbos I just want to add if you want one take a $100 dollar bill out of your wallet light it on fire and if you can smile while doing this then a turbo is for you. If not then probably should stick with stock and some minor add ons. Turbos on any sled can be tricky and even the best most well thought out kit can be screwed up in an instant by a few seconds and a control box. Personally I have watched the Aerocharger program with the E-Tec at the RMSHA events and it seems to be working quite well, although I do not own an E-Tec I know that BOGS and such are usually refined with time. Input from good customers usually helps the producer more than constant criticism. Anyway thats my two cents from a Cat guy, LOL
