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ACMtnCat
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Not sure...never added 40lbs to any of my sleds
You added 30lbs by going to the Etec!
Over 40lbs if you stay with the stock can on the Etec!
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Dry Weight is BS
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You added 30lbs by going to the Etec!
Over 40lbs if you stay with the stock can on the Etec!
in the days when we used to not want the sled dogs to stop racing to take a poop we used to put a paper match up their butts and they would discharge themselves to get rid of the match stick...
well i guess what im trying to say is that if a few pounds is of concern ...i have the paper matchsticks...i will give them to ya...just find another volunteer to insert them...
well i guess what im trying to say is that if a few pounds is of concern ...i have the paper matchsticks...i will give them to ya...just find another volunteer to insert them...
I agree that dry weight is BS.... as a matter of fact wet weight isn't much better. The only weight that really matters is riding weight... with you and all your equipment on the sled, because thats what it has to carry.
And this is the only real way to figure power to weight ratios.....
And this is the only real way to figure power to weight ratios.....
Or in my case power to fat ratio
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Jaynelson
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I will disagree and say that dry weight is the only weight that matters for comparison purposes. If you start adding fluids....well, some hold more than others, brand X topped up the oil more than brand Y, brand Z weighed it with everything but coolant, etc, etc. Dry is dry, period.
And no, that is not how we ride them.....but that is the best apples to apples comparison tool. It's the only one really. The "crate weight" thing is ok....but raises as many questions as it answers.
"Ready to ride" weight is impossible to compare. Some people fill up their gas and oil everytime, other's don't. Some people carry extra tools, gas, saws, hawaiian pizzas, etc, others don't. Let alone that rider weight could vary by 150lbs.
And no, that is not how we ride them.....but that is the best apples to apples comparison tool. It's the only one really. The "crate weight" thing is ok....but raises as many questions as it answers.
"Ready to ride" weight is impossible to compare. Some people fill up their gas and oil everytime, other's don't. Some people carry extra tools, gas, saws, hawaiian pizzas, etc, others don't. Let alone that rider weight could vary by 150lbs.
Jay you raise a fair point but just as the industry has established standards to define dry weight, it could also establish standards to define "ride ready" weight. At a minimum it should be based on stock sled including all vital fluids topped off to include a mutually agreed upon nominal quantity of fuel...5 gallons? 3? 2? Whatever. I don't really care just set a more realistic standard.
Jokes aside, I agree that rider weight it too variable to deal with, and optional accessory items are just that, but it would be cool if their weights were listed in the catalogs so we could have a few more ounces to obsess over while waiting for delivery.
I don't think anything will change but that's just my opinion.
Ok,, here is my point... (i probably wont make it very good... but here goes.... and i know that the numbers are not accurate... but just for example).
If you have one sled that ways 300 pounds and has 100hp then dry you have a 3lbs per horsepower. Now take a second sled that is 500 lb and puts out 150 hp-- dry this sled has a 3.33 lb per horsepower. So dry sled one looks better. Now figure the rest into it... 200 lbs for a person and 100 lbs in fluids and parts. So sled 1 now weighs 600 pounds and has a 6lb per horsepower. Sled 2 comes in at 800 but now has a 5.33 lb per horsepower. So sled 2 is now better.
I realize that it doesn't always work like this... but that's why i don't think dry weight is relevant.
If you have one sled that ways 300 pounds and has 100hp then dry you have a 3lbs per horsepower. Now take a second sled that is 500 lb and puts out 150 hp-- dry this sled has a 3.33 lb per horsepower. So dry sled one looks better. Now figure the rest into it... 200 lbs for a person and 100 lbs in fluids and parts. So sled 1 now weighs 600 pounds and has a 6lb per horsepower. Sled 2 comes in at 800 but now has a 5.33 lb per horsepower. So sled 2 is now better.
I realize that it doesn't always work like this... but that's why i don't think dry weight is relevant.
And I just read through what i wrote.... I either need to learn how to spell,,, or proof read... oh well.
I for one like the dry weight, or I guess "crate weight", which is what I have always considered the dry weight, without fuel only. Just gives you a comparison. I like that. Is it everything? No, I would take a well balanced heavier sled over a lighter, poorly balanced sled any day.
