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Dry Weight is BS

The Fourth Wolf

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Been reading the various mountain sled forums, mainly because I'm jonesing for some snow while waiting for my 2012 Pro to come in.

Aside from the annual piss & moan about factory HP claims, it seems the next most controversial topic is sled weight, in particular dry weight. Now I think there ought'a be a law...forbiding the manufacturer of any machine where weight is a major consumer consideration from marketing it based on it's "dry weight."

Dry weight is meaningless, even misleading (and therefore dishonest) because we don't ride machines without fluids in them. I mean what's next with you marketing clowns? Does the future hold more creative redefinitions of what a snowmobile is? I can see it now........Lay-deees and Genntelllmennnn introducing the worlds first mountain sled under 100lbs....New for 2013 the all new Featherweight ApexRMKPro-ClimbXP weighing in at an incredible 98 lbs* d r y-w e i g h t. That's right folks a mountain sled under 100 lbs!!!!
* does not include engine, exhaust, steering components, front or rear suspension, track, seat, fuel tank, snow flap, hood, belly pan, body panels, electrical system, nuts, bolts, fasteners or Monster decals.

Is that what's next? You going to sell us a sled based on what just the tunnel and bulkhead weighs and make us play this retarded game even more?

Cat? Poo? Doo? Yami? You guys listening?

Keep tweaking your designs, keep making our sleds better and lighter but don't try to bull**** us OK? Tell us honestly what the sled's gonna weigh fully serviced with all necessary fluids, plus, say 10 gallons of fuel. (I picked 10 gallons since everyone has at least a 10 gallon tank)

I think the weight reported should be based on an average of at least 5 fully serviced production machines since no two are going to weigh absolutely, exactly the same.
 
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Already did. That thread was kind of my inspiration for this one. I'd already decided all the arguing about dry weight was kinda like arguing over who's uglier...the boney, buck-toothed girl or the pineapple faced fat one...point being you're not gonna ride either one of them without an adequate application of certain fluids first.
 
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They do it that way to get the weight down as much as possible. To make it sound better. That's what advertising is these days.
 
They do it that way to get the weight down as much as possible. To make it sound better. That's what advertising is these days.

I know that. I think we all do, but in the case of the ProRMK 155 at an advertised 431 lbs. 431 pounds is a lie because it's a half-truth. Sure, at some point during production the sled weighs that amount so Poo can defend it in court if they had to but NOBODY is going to ride that sled as is. Because they can't.

The real number is something like 525 lbs, and 525 for a ready-to-ride sled is pretty damn good. And it's honest.

Just my opinion, but wet weight is the only one that really matters.
 
I like the crate weight, as in everything but oil and gas, the nytro I think has a 7 gallon tank or something, then others have a 11 gal tank so to be fair the oil and gas runs at different levels and should be removed for weight but everything else should stay the same. Cat has been good at this before but this year I think is bs just because it gained weight they wont list or maybe its because even they weren't sure what the production weight was going to be.
 
I know that. I think we all do, but in the case of the ProRMK 155 at an advertised 431 lbs. 431 pounds is a lie because it's a half-truth. Sure, at some point during production the sled weighs that amount so Poo can defend it in court if they had to but NOBODY is going to ride that sled as is. Because they can't.

The real number is something like 525 lbs, and 525 for a ready-to-ride sled is pretty damn good. And it's honest.

Just my opinion, but wet weight is the only one that really matters.

What sounds better? 431lbs or 525lbs? There's a a reason they advertise 431 instead of 525................ It sells sleds! Skidoo did it in '08 and now Polaris is doing it.
 
Arctic Cat didn't know the weight of their own sled? They knew what it weighed and just didn't want to take the heat for it being so heavy. I think the response has been worse than if they had just been honest and stated it. Then showed pics of it smashing through trees and over logs etc and looking no worse the wear. I'd have shown another pic of a 2010 or 11 with 6000 miles on the odometer and a caption telling how that motor still has the original pistons in it.
 
I'm not going to buy one sled over another if there is a 15 pound weight difference. I'll start eating less nachos.

I'm not going to buy one sled over the other if there is a 25 pound weight difference and I don't have to worry about the heavier sled tweaking bulkheads at the slightest hit to sqeaking pistons every 800 miles.

I will buy another sled over another sled if there is a 100+ pound weight difference no matter how reliable the heavier sled is.

That pretty much sums it up.
 
Arctic Cat didn't know the weight of their own sled? They knew what it weighed and just didn't want to take the heat for it being so heavy. I think the response has been worse than if they had just been honest and stated it. Then showed pics of it smashing through trees and over logs etc and looking no worse the wear. I'd have shown another pic of a 2010 or 11 with 6000 miles on the odometer and a caption telling how that motor still has the original pistons in it.

When I talked to the AC guys in Cooke on june 30 they where talking about a few things being changed like the bumper and possibly a few other slight changes before production. May not have made much difference but could make enough, could you imagine if they would have weighed a proto type, posted the weight and then the production model weighed 10lbs more because they decided to take the safe route and make something stronger. That would be suicide. Or maybe even that the sled didn't meet noise emissions and they had to make a quieter can that weighed more. Although I agree that its bs and should be posted ASAP.
 
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its kinda like when they sell harddrives and say its 500gb's but realy its 460gb's.

For the sleds they should give you both wieghts.
 
well i think alot of the reason for a dry weight is because, it is the most constistant weight thet can advertise, if the advertised a full of fluids weight who know how far off from on sled to the other the weight would be off, just because your not going to get the exact same in each sled. that and weight from when you leave the trailer to when you pull it back on after a day of riding will be much less. whats gas weigh per gallon? 8 lbs? -10 gallons is 80 lbs. people read too much into weights, chassis setup is way more important than weight, unless your lifting it our of a hole
 
well i think alot of the reason for a dry weight is because, it is the most constistant weight thet can advertise, if the advertised a full of fluids weight who know how far off from on sled to the other the weight would be off, just because your not going to get the exact same in each sled. that and weight from when you leave the trailer to when you pull it back on after a day of riding will be much less. whats gas weigh per gallon? 8 lbs? -10 gallons is 80 lbs. people read too much into weights, chassis setup is way more important than weight, unless your lifting it our of a hole

Thats why I say crate weight, all the fluids in the sled that stay the same, dry weight means they don't even have shock fluid, thats bs.
 
I don't know what the Pro Climb truly weighs, but I know that my Pro is the lightest stock sled I've ever been on. It's not just what Polaris says it is on the scales, it's how it carries itself on the snow. I find it funny that people are looking to save 20lbs of weight in the exhaust can. Even the Pro (which has a light stock can) can save another 7lbs by going to an HPS can. Weight does matter, big time! It's just hard to compare apples to apples.
 
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