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Does the timing of the motor have to be in sync with the CDI box

go high fast

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Dont know squat about electronics on sleds. I'm like Tom Cruise in Days of Thunder.

Moved a very fine running motor from one chasis to another and now it runs terribly ruff at idle and actually sounds like it's detonating at idle. I pulled the plugs and have freakin smoke coming out of the spark plug holes.

If you swap one cdi box out for another do you have to readjust the timing or is this completely irrelevant?

So here is my situation and here's why I am asking: Bought a sled that was an alphabet soup of stuff. Gen II bulkhead with Edge tunnel and VES 800 motor. The motor is an 800 Polaris VES which I believe to be an 02 or 03. Moved motor into an 04 Escape chasis and used the 04 CDI and wire harness. Started it up and it sounds like chit. I mean real bad.

Trying to give you guys as much detail as possible so here are some other items........I dont know if they are relevant.

1.) the sled had a tether which I disconnected and removed and I reconnected the unplugged stock kill switch. After disconnecting the teather I have a few wires that dont seem to reconnect to anything. The stock kill switch is working.

2.) moving the stock ignition key from PREM to REG seems to slightly impact how the motor is running at idle. Running at REG seems to be a bit smoother at idle. The ignition switch appears fully functional but key handle is broken off.

3.) I bought the 04 chasis used. It had been repoed by a bank so I cant be positive if the CDI has ever been reprogramed. The chasis is in remarkably good condition.

4.) I completely drained the fuel tank and added 3 gallons of fresh gas and even put in 50:1 premix to have plently of lube while the oil made its way through the oil lines. Oil lines not dry just wanted to account for small dry spots.

5.) Carbs are from the 04 Escape and fuel mixture screw and air screw are set at stock. If I recall the fuel screw stock setting is 1.5 turns out and the air screw is .75 turns out but that's just going on memory. Settings correspond to the actual 04 shop manual. TPS is plugged in. I didnt play with the choke or the fuel mixture screw to see if that changed how the sled idled. Main jets are new and are not clogged or fouled in any way. Before starting I gently pulled the recoil about 20 times with spark plugs removed to load some fuel to the carbs. Used a light shot of fogging oil to lube the pistons, cylinders and crank.

6.) initial start up was with no primary clutch and no coolant. Didnt run it for more than 20 seconds.

7.) stock plugs are Champion and I have gone with NGK which is the crossover plug.

8.) motor came with single slp pipes and I'm running slp twin pipes.

9.) compression in both cylinders is 125 lbs each sitting on my garage floor.


ANY IDEAS??
 
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PUT EVERYTHING BACK THE WAY IT WAS AND SEE IF IT RUNS RIGHT IF IT DOES THEN START OVER AND RETUNE THE MOTOR
 
sorry being a dic, sounds like maby the box is wrong or jetting needs tobe spec to the pipes,too many changes at one time.....
 
Timing

04 had a 18 degree base timing flywheel where the 02 had a 14. Timing curve in the 04 CDI is set up the 18. The Prem setting on the ignition switch advances the timing an additional 2 degrees. That's why it runs better in standard mode. The fix is one of 2 options. Either a 02 CDI or a 04 flywheel. As it sits right now, the timing is too far advanced. Either of the above should fix it.

If you change the flywheel, you should have reverse. You will need to change the pull starter pawl so it doesn't catch when the motor is running in reverse to. Oil pump should also be changed to one for reverse although several guys don't do that because the motor isn't run in reverse that long.

If you end up with the 04 ignition, calibrate your carbs with all the stuff for the twins on a 04. In 03 Polaris changed jetting to improve mileage and low end gurgle over the 02 and it's a much better set up. Even if you go with the 02 ignition, I would go with the 04 carb specs.
 
If you used all the '04 parts then you are also having issues with the DET sensor. The 02 and 03 (except escape) motors did not have a DET sensor. All '04 and newer motors do. Without the DET sensor plugged in it will go in limp mode just like not having the temp sensor plugged in.

If the motor is an '03 motor then it already has the right flywheel, they changed it on all '03s. Stators are all the same.

sled_guy
 
go high fast, Your best help is right here on the forum but I do have a 04 service manual that your more than welcome to if you think it might be of any help also.
 
04 had a 18 degree base timing flywheel where the 02 had a 14. Timing curve in the 04 CDI is set up the 18. The Prem setting on the ignition switch advances the timing an additional 2 degrees. That's why it runs better in standard mode. The fix is one of 2 options. Either a 02 CDI or a 04 flywheel. As it sits right now, the timing is too far advanced. Either of the above should fix it.

Actually hes retarded 4 degree right now

18 is 18 degrees of advance from tdc
14 is 14 degrees of advance from tdc.

The 04 ecu wants to see 18 degrees of advance, its only seeing 14 degrees, so it needs 4 more to get to page one.

HPE sells a 3.5 degree flywheel key, that would get you to 17.5, plus a little turn of the stator.
 
No primary on it when you were running it,,, thats another reason its running like crap, put the primary on.

Do this and report back
 
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