Does Knock off = Garrett quality ?
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t_thall
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I would never run any "ebay" type knock off turbos. I've seen plenty of horror stories. A lot of times they aren't even the advertised size. I've also experienced my own frustrations attempting to run ebay wastegates, blow-off valves, etc in automotive applications - not worth it. There is higher quality budget options -I run a master power t70 in my 6l chevy truck which was under $700 for a 600 hp capable turbo, as well as borg warner which are priced around the same for a similar size, but they are older technology then the newer GT styles and non ball-bearing, plus i don't know how small they even go... As far as my sleds go there is usually enough issues with tuning, etc to keep me wrenching all i want to while riding already!
keep your eyes open Doo guys,, Only ONE has stepped up to the plate..
Turbo performance = Garrett
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Team Voodoo
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I can't speak from experience on the quality of a turbo but for peace of mind on my first turbo project I purchased 2 turbos one knock off and one garret BB. I'll learn using the knockoff before installing the Garrett, I would rather take out the knock off first if I screwed up.
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badass1000
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If it was advertised as a gt28rs I would assume it was a garrett. If it showed up with anything else I would be pissed. for one I wouldn't use the knock off crap and second you would be getting alot less for your money. the knock off turbos as mentioned are alot cheaper.
nothing but the best on my toys.
garrett 2871 with tial stainless turbine houseing, tial mvs external wastegate, and tial Q blow off valve on my turbo xp.
nothing but the best on my toys.
garrett 2871 with tial stainless turbine houseing, tial mvs external wastegate, and tial Q blow off valve on my turbo xp.
Who else makes kits for Doo's that's not stepping up?
CPI & MCX was only using Mitsu turbos last I checked.
Powderlites??? Website claims to use Garrett turbos
Silber??? Website claims to use Garrett turbos
Bikeman??? Website only mentions Tial housing.
FPP??? Website says uses Garrett GT25
Maybe some new comers to the market???
CPI & MCX was only using Mitsu turbos last I checked.
Powderlites??? Website claims to use Garrett turbos
Silber??? Website claims to use Garrett turbos
Bikeman??? Website only mentions Tial housing.
FPP??? Website says uses Garrett GT25
Maybe some new comers to the market???
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I think as long as the manufacturer tells you what you are getting then it is the customers choice. There are several guys using import turbos in their kits now. They have not quite been proven yet as they just started using them last year, but they are a lot cheaper. I think as long as you know what you are getting and you make the choice it is all good.
The problem I have is the misinformation. A GT28 is not always a Garrett. There are several companies selling at GT28 or 2860 etc and they are knockoffs. I think you should say "Genuine Garrett" or otherwise so everybody knows. The import turbos, if they prove themselves, will change the face of the sled turbo industry by next year......if not, we move along as planned!
The problem I have is the misinformation. A GT28 is not always a Garrett. There are several companies selling at GT28 or 2860 etc and they are knockoffs. I think you should say "Genuine Garrett" or otherwise so everybody knows. The import turbos, if they prove themselves, will change the face of the sled turbo industry by next year......if not, we move along as planned!
Th end decision is the END USERS choice.
If the turbo does NOT say Garrett on the compressor housing your buying a $200 turbo, expect a 1200$ discount on your kit.
I'm not totally against the cheapo no name turbo, just be honest when you put the kit out as to what is really in it..
no garret on the housing, no garrett inside,\\
for sale, zl1 corvette, does not say corvette on it, looks like one, but has a briggs and stratton 5 hp in it..!!!
ebay motors, you get what you pay for...
Gus
If the turbo does NOT say Garrett on the compressor housing your buying a $200 turbo, expect a 1200$ discount on your kit.
I'm not totally against the cheapo no name turbo, just be honest when you put the kit out as to what is really in it..
no garret on the housing, no garrett inside,\\
for sale, zl1 corvette, does not say corvette on it, looks like one, but has a briggs and stratton 5 hp in it..!!!
ebay motors, you get what you pay for...
Gus
I have used the Mirage knock off with NO issues at all.. love it for the 200 bux for a ball bearing big turbo, great unit,, just would NOT sell it as a gt35 r.. I would sellit as a knock off sized 35 type.. all good and charge the price accordingly..
Ulmer racing,, Thanks for stepping up.. Allen and his dad are great folks and are real riders/racers too. now,, drop the srxspec and change it to lilallenbooster !!!
Gus
reading some of the feedback on the supraforums,..
more failure than not.. be damn sure it says garrett..
400 miles, bearing wasted, ,,journal bearing turbos peddled as ball bearing !!!
stay the **** away guys, its junk and stays in the junk pile..
the only hope is the smaller knockoffs dont seem to be failing as fast,, they still fail, just not so quick.
more failure than not.. be damn sure it says garrett..
400 miles, bearing wasted, ,,journal bearing turbos peddled as ball bearing !!!
stay the **** away guys, its junk and stays in the junk pile..
the only hope is the smaller knockoffs dont seem to be failing as fast,, they still fail, just not so quick.
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All china turbos are not created equal. Guys it's very easy to tell is someone is using Garrett or Airresearch or Honeywell turbo systems all of with are the same. It will say Garrett on the compressor housing because thats the name of the comany in the time which the "GT" series turbo where made. There may or may not be a tag on the turbo for the low boost kits pretty much all are using GT2554R or GT2854R or some claim to use the "disco potato" which. Some which take the tag off to hide what they are using IT WILL SAY "GARRETT" on the compressor housing if they are not coming clean and telling what they are using in all levels of perfromance then I guess they must have something to hide. I would stay as far away from the "knock-offs" as possilble I have seen to many of them and they don't have very good outcomes.
Lets face when your turboing your sled and you want to save the money that a "knock-off" is going to save you maybe you shouldn't be turboing it in the first place or maybe it's not saving you any money but the kit builder is saving it himself and not passing it on to you. Come on guys lets hear what your using in all kits.
Lets face when your turboing your sled and you want to save the money that a "knock-off" is going to save you maybe you shouldn't be turboing it in the first place or maybe it's not saving you any money but the kit builder is saving it himself and not passing it on to you. Come on guys lets hear what your using in all kits.
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JROD
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So who's to say that people could be using cheap center sections in otherwise "Garrett" housings? Would be pretty easy to sell as Garrett turbos and these kit builders would be pocketing the extra $$$ saved. I've heard to this kind of BS happening in the sled industry....
your correct but in not all cases does Garrett sell the parts for there turbos meaning the compressor housing or tubine housing or compressor wheel might not be sold. There should be a Garrett tag on the turbo in the low boost kits or any other kits most guys leave the tag on it unless you are talking about big horsepower ace applications when they don't want someone to know what there using. Ask before you purchase there will be no parts for them at least Garrett you can ge a chra for their turbos at a reduced price as long as you have the Garrett tag on our chra
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powderlites
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Turbos
We have been using mostly Garrett turbos and a few Mit. and Rotomaster.
Harley turbos have always been the same part number but coming from Brazil and Mexcio, I have seen over 400 turbos in the last couple of years and also seen a couple of knockoffs that were junk.
Not a single bearing failure on our Nytro rear mount kits with well over a hundred the first year. Proper cooling and oiling should make them last for years with good operater.
We have been using mostly Garrett turbos and a few Mit. and Rotomaster.
Harley turbos have always been the same part number but coming from Brazil and Mexcio, I have seen over 400 turbos in the last couple of years and also seen a couple of knockoffs that were junk.
Not a single bearing failure on our Nytro rear mount kits with well over a hundred the first year. Proper cooling and oiling should make them last for years with good operater.
its irrelevent WHERE the turbo or parts come from as long as they ARE GARRETT parts..
The knock off failures have nothing to do with cooling or lube, just junk manufacturing and assy.
I want all turbo owners or buyers to feel free to post pics of what you get in your kits..
I have NO sympathy for even paid advertisers who peddle crap !!!
We will slam them from here to china...fess up or get run out of business..
is that a corvette or a knockoffvette..?/
glad to see PL is using garrett turbos not garbage..
Gus
The knock off failures have nothing to do with cooling or lube, just junk manufacturing and assy.
I want all turbo owners or buyers to feel free to post pics of what you get in your kits..
I have NO sympathy for even paid advertisers who peddle crap !!!
We will slam them from here to china...fess up or get run out of business..
is that a corvette or a knockoffvette..?/
glad to see PL is using garrett turbos not garbage..
Gus
Where are Aerochargers made and how do they compare to Garrett?
Aerocharger/hypercharger is a US company.
the garrett is a built stronger, hvy duty unit vs the aerocharger.
its akin to comparing a carbed sled to an eif sled. both have situations that favor and both have ones that dont.
Ive run the old aerodyne turbos prior to their sale to this group renaming them to just aerocharger. they work well and wont always be trouble however,,
The variable vane design does put some components directly in harms way should you hurt a piston, pieces of CAST pistons will bend or ruin the vanes and can jump then off the mechanism. Rust from summer storage will build under and around the vanes on the surface of the cast housing, if not addressed the vanes will be damaged and its a $ 1000 ticket. Forgings will turn to powder as they melt and due little to no damage..fyi..
I never did fail a bearing myself ,, and we did run them at 23 pounds more often than not..
A garrett will be damaged on the wheel as well if castings are sent flying out the pipe..No turbo will be better than the other when parts are hurled into them !!!
Airflow wise its moot,, the aerochargers dont move big volumes like a big 2 stroke is looking for when we go racing or just putting out big power.
the best 66 is far short of the 71's ,76's and woefully short of the 82..
they are a good turbo when used for the right purpose. back in the DAY,,lol they were 'THEE" turbo for sleds, the vanes and ball bearings made them work well on the piston port low bmep engines of the time..
things change,,
good luck with your turbo,, they all work.
Gus
the garrett is a built stronger, hvy duty unit vs the aerocharger.
its akin to comparing a carbed sled to an eif sled. both have situations that favor and both have ones that dont.
Ive run the old aerodyne turbos prior to their sale to this group renaming them to just aerocharger. they work well and wont always be trouble however,,
The variable vane design does put some components directly in harms way should you hurt a piston, pieces of CAST pistons will bend or ruin the vanes and can jump then off the mechanism. Rust from summer storage will build under and around the vanes on the surface of the cast housing, if not addressed the vanes will be damaged and its a $ 1000 ticket. Forgings will turn to powder as they melt and due little to no damage..fyi..
I never did fail a bearing myself ,, and we did run them at 23 pounds more often than not..
A garrett will be damaged on the wheel as well if castings are sent flying out the pipe..No turbo will be better than the other when parts are hurled into them !!!
Airflow wise its moot,, the aerochargers dont move big volumes like a big 2 stroke is looking for when we go racing or just putting out big power.
the best 66 is far short of the 71's ,76's and woefully short of the 82..
they are a good turbo when used for the right purpose. back in the DAY,,lol they were 'THEE" turbo for sleds, the vanes and ball bearings made them work well on the piston port low bmep engines of the time..
things change,,
good luck with your turbo,, they all work.
Gus
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My sled is going to be strictly a pump gas trail sled making low boost somewhere in the 220HP range so I would think the US built Aerocharger would be a good fit for that application or no?
As I said, it will work ..have fun and enjoy your turbo
Gus
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