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dissapointed in McCain

First, he vehemintly opposed the bailout

then he flip flopped 180 degrees


He said that he'd expose pork barrel spending and name names, but did nothing on this bailout bill except call up republicans on the fence and make deals to get them on board.


now we got some millions going to a company making wooden toy arrows for kids...WTF???

massive subsidies going to rum makers WTF???

Racetrack???

and even freakin Holywood gets a handout....FREAKING HOLYWOOD!! WTF??

Wool makers??

Harly Davidson???

This one is interesting, I don't understand it yet:
  1. Sec. 201. Deduction for state and local sales taxes
Allows residents of states that don’t pay income tax to deduct, from their federal taxes, sales tax paid over the course of the year. States that benefit include Texas, Nevada, Florida, Washington and Wyoming. The bailout bill extends this provision for 2 years at a cost of $3.3 billion


So I get to deduct all my sales tax? holy crap I better save all those wal-mart reciepts :confused:


MORE SUBSIDIES TO ETHANOL!!! WTF??

http://www.taxpayer.net/resources.php?category=&type=Project&proj_id=1429&action=Headlines By TCS

since when did we have a socialist govmt??






what happend to calling out the names of those who add pork to a bill??

you think its 700 billion? think again!!! its way more now 1.8 TRILLION DOLLARS!!!
 
First, he vehemintly opposed the bailout

then he flip flopped 180 degrees


He said that he'd expose pork barrel spending and name names, but did nothing on this bailout bill except call up republicans on the fence and make deals to get them on board.


now we got some millions going to a company making wooden toy arrows for kids...WTF???

massive subsidies going to rum makers WTF???

Racetrack???

and even freakin Holywood gets a handout....FREAKING HOLYWOOD!! WTF??

Wool makers??

Harly Davidson???

This one is interesting, I don't understand it yet:
  1. Sec. 201. Deduction for state and local sales taxes
Allows residents of states that don’t pay income tax to deduct, from their federal taxes, sales tax paid over the course of the year. States that benefit include Texas, Nevada, Florida, Washington and Wyoming. The bailout bill extends this provision for 2 years at a cost of $3.3 billion


So I get to deduct all my sales tax? holy crap I better save all those wal-mart reciepts :confused

you can deduct your sales tax. If you buy a new vehicle or even a sled it can add up fast
 
So I get to deduct all my sales tax? holy crap I better save all those wal-mart reciepts

You can save receipts or take a "Standard" sales tax deduction from the table. If you have a large $ purchase during the year the receipts will probably get you more of a deduction. We throw all receipts in a drawer for the year even when we don't plan a large purchase that year just incase.

Home improvement projects qualify too.

The IRS says they want us to get all the deductions we can that are in the rules so if you like McCain or not you should take them.
 
So I get to deduct all my sales tax? holy crap I better save all those wal-mart reciepts

You can save receipts or take a "Standard" sales tax deduction from the table. If you have a large $ purchase during the year the receipts will probably get you more of a deduction. We throw all receipts in a drawer for the year even when we don't plan a large purchase that year just incase.

Home improvement projects qualify too.

The IRS says they want us to get all the deductions we can that are in the rules so if you like McCain or not you should take them.

Sounds like a CPA statement! :face-icon-small-win

And yes, we do the same, but only with purchases over about $30.
 
"Standard" sales tax deduction from the table

Not exactly sure how it's done, but our CPA deducts all sales tax from our taxes. He said it was based on our income and did not need for us to save every receipt, thankfully.
 
Even worse:

I can't find the link right now, but read somewhere that McCain wants (you better sit down now) Al-the-sky-is-falling- Gore as his energy advisor! :eek::mad:
If he's elected, maybe Sarah can talk him out of it.
 
your gonna hafta come up with a source for that claim Snowizard
I sure couldn't find anything like that

Maybe I heard it on one of the radio talk shows. Rush?, Mark Levin? I'll try to locate the source, but no joke thats what I heard. Yeah, it would be bad if it comes to pass.
Edit: been lookin' on line at blogs, and google, can't find it now. If I do I'll post it.
 
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I cant find any reference to Harley davidson getting a handout, did I miss it?

Must be a relief to all of those people who work in arrow factories
One can only imagine a united states of america without a strong arrow maker
 
I cant find any reference to Harley davidson getting a handout, did I miss it?

Must be a relief to all of those people who work in arrow factories
One can only imagine a united states of america without a strong arrow maker




  1. Sec. 301. Extension and modification of research credit
The legislation reestablishes and extends the lucrative tax credit for companies doing research and experimentation in the United States. Companies that have benefited from this provision include Microsoft Corp., Boeing Co., United Technologies Corp., Electronic Data Systems Corp. and Harley-Davidson. The two-year extension is estimated to cost $19 billion.



So tell me what on a Harley is modern or new? Jap bikes are decades ahead of Harley in technology...this is just a handout.
 

  1. Sec. 503. Exemption from excise tax for certain wooden arrows designed for use by children
Current law places an excise tax of 39 cents on the first sale by the manufacturer, producer, or importer of any shaft of a type used to produce certain types of arrows. This proposal would exempt from the excise tax any shaft consisting of all natural wood with no laminations or artificial means to enhance the spine of the shaft used in the manufacture of an arrow that measures 5/16 of an inch or less and is unsuited for use with a bow with a peak draw weight of 30 pounds or more. The proposal is effective for shafts first sold after the date of enactment. The estimated cost of the proposal is $2 million over ten years, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.
The Oregon senators were the initial sponsors of the provisions. According to Bloomberg News, the provision would be worth $200,000 to Rose City Archery in Myrtle Point, Oregon.


  1. Sec. 317. Seven-year cost recovery period for motorsports racing track facility
Track owners want to be able write-off the cost of their facilities on their taxes over seven years - a depreciation timetable many of them have used for decades. But the IRS has wanted to stretch it to at least 15 years and has raised questions whether the increasingly popular tracks really belong in the same tax category as amusement parks.
Auto track owners are simply trying to get out of paying more taxes - which they'd have to do if they deducted less every year. These owners have gotten plenty of tax breaks over the years from states and localities eager to get speedways. The provision would be extended 2 years till the end of 2009 and would cost $100 million. The provision encompasses all facilities including grandstands, parking lots and concession stands.

  1. Sec. 308. Increase in limit on cover over of rum excise tax to Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands
Extends until December 31, 2009 a rebate against excise taxes charged on rum imported from Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. A $13.50 per proof gallon excise tax is applied to distilled spirits imported to the U.S. Under this provision a $13.25 rebate is returned to PR and the VI, and is retroactive back to January 1, 2008. Permanent law sets the rebate at $10.50 per proof gallon, but the PR and VI provisions have generally been in place since the first Clinton Administration. The most recent extension of the $13.50 rebate expired January 1, 2008. Cost is $192 million.

  1. Sec. 301. Extension and modification of research credit
The legislation reestablishes and extends the lucrative tax credit for companies doing research and experimentation in the United States. Companies that have benefited from this provision include Microsoft Corp., Boeing Co., United Technologies Corp., Electronic Data Systems Corp. and Harley-Davidson. The two-year extension is estimated to cost $19 billion.

  1. Sec. 504. Income averaging for amounts received in connection with the Exxon Valdez litigation
The bailout bill would give a tax break to Exxon Valdez plaintiffs, allowing them to average out their punitive damages awards over three years rather than suffer a one-time tax hit from the Internal Revenue Service, as well as other provisions. Rep. Don Young (R-AK) is a big supporter of this provision. Cost is estimated at $49 million.


  1. Sec. 601. Secure rural schools and community self-determination program.
Secure Rural Schools lead sponsors Reps. DeFazio (D-OR), Bill Sali (R-ID); Sens. Wyden (D-OR), Larry Craig (R-ID), are major boosters of this program that expired in 2006. In 1908 the federal government agreed to share logging revenue from Forest Service land with neighboring communities that could not tax the land because it was federal. As logging declined in the 1990s, the "county payments" program was initiated in 2000 to directly provide federal funding, more than half going to Oregon, to deal with the loss of revenue. The original version of this provision was introduced as a bill in early 2007 and was estimated to cost $2.2 billion when the OR and ID delegations came to agreement. To give the package more heft, Payment In Lieu of Taxes (PILT) was added to the package, bringing the total cost to $3.3 billion. PILT provides more general funding to counties for federal lands located within their borders. Sen. Reid (D-NV) talked about the PILT program being one of the important elements of the package when the Senate passed the bailout bill.


  1. Sec. 201. Deduction for state and local sales taxes
Allows residents of states that don’t pay income tax to deduct, from their federal taxes, sales tax paid over the course of the year. States that benefit include Texas, Nevada, Florida, Washington and Wyoming. The bailout bill extends this provision for 2 years at a cost of $3.3 billion.


  1. Sec 502. Provisions related to film and television productions
In an effort to keep film and television productions in the U.S, they would be eligible for a tax incentive program. Under this program, the cost of production of qualifying films would be permitted to be immediately expensed -- that is, fully deducted from income for tax purposes -- in the year the expenditures occur. This provision also makes permanent other favorable tax treatments for production. Historically Rep. Diane Watson (D-CA) has been a supporter (dating from its creation in the 2004 corporate tax bill). The cost is estimated at $478 million over 10 years.


  1. Sec. 325. Extension and modification of duty suspension on wool products; wool research fund; wool duty refunds
The tariff relief (duty savings) is intended to benefit U.S. worsted wool fabric producers that use imported fibers and yarns as inputs, as well as U.S. tailored clothing manufacturers that use imported fabrics as inputs. This provision was originally introduced as a bill in December 2007 by Reps. Louise Slaughter (D-NY) and Melissa Bean (D-IL). It extends current law provisions until 12/31/14, and in some cases to12/31/15. The 2010 to 2015 cost is estimated to be $148 million.



  1. Sec. 309. Extension of economic development credit for American Samoa
This extends by two years a previously approved tax credit, the American Samoa economic development credit. In general, this credit allows certain corporations operating in American Samoa a tax credit. The possessions tax credit allows these corporations to offset a portion of their U.S. tax liability on income earned in American Samoa from active business operations, sales of assets used in a business, or certain investments in American Samoa. The cost is $33 million, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

Other Examples:
Here are some other interesting provisions

Sec. 201. Inclusion of cellulosic biofuel in bonus depreciation for biomass ethanol plant property

Current law allows taxpayers to write-off 50% of the cost of any facility placed in service before January 1, 2013 that produces cellulosic ethanol. This provision expands the types of facilities that may be written-off to include production of other cellulosic biofuels in addition to cellulosic ethanol. ???????


Sec. 211. Transportation fringe benefit to bicycle commuters
Allows employers to provide a benefit to employees for costs associated with bicycle commuting, including purchase and repair of a bicycle, bicycle improvements, and bicycle storage. This provision was proposed in 2007 in the Senate by Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) and in the House by Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-OR). This provision is estimated to cost $10 million.

Sec. 323. Enhanced charitable deductions for contributions of food inventory

Extends by two years, until December 31, 2009, a provision allowing for deductions related to the charitable donation of “apparently wholesome food”—defined as food intended for human consumption that meets all quality and labeling standards imposed by law and regulations even though the food may not be readily marketable. This provision also changes the application of the law as it relates to donations by farmers and ranchers. The cost is $149 million, according to Joint Committee on Taxation.

Sec. 324. Extension of enhanced charitable deduction for contributions of bookinventory


Extends by two years, until December 31, 2009, a tax benefit for the contribution of books to public schools. The provision is worth $49 million.

Sec. 602. Transfer to abandoned mine reclamation fund

Transfers interest earned on money in the abandoned mine reclamation fund to the United Mine Workers of America Combined Benefit Fund, which helps pay health benefits for retired miners and their dependents who worked under collective bargaining agreements that promised lifetime health-care benefits. States with the most miners receiving benefits have historically been Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, Virginia, and Ohio. This provision extends existing law to include a $9 million transfer for 2010.


 
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Just to keep it straight, I'm still voting for McCain


Obama would be worse


wish Huckabee woulda been the nominee


a guy like huckabee will never make it with the current media/government climate. i believe the press and the supposed two parties got exactly the two guys they want. i no longer think it is two parties but rather its an oligarchy. it is a government ran by the rich and elitists.

the reason we have mccain is in reality the media and rich can live with the maverick. i mean this guy "reached across the aisle" to kennedy for crying out loud. they absolutely love obama but can handle mccain. there is no way they could handle huckabee. why do you think the vehement viscous attacks against palin but do not reciprocate against nobama? heres a little quote:

"they(liberals)hate TRUE conservatism becasue it is an establishment or school of thought that threatens and dismantles corrupt practices and dishonest gain."

i say all that to say i too am disappointed with mccain.:mad: but since we have a one party system we are left to vote for the lesser of the two evils... imho that is.
 
He said that he'd expose pork barrel spending and name names, but did nothing on this bailout bill except call up republicans on the fence and make deals to get them on board.

You know, I have had long discussions with my boss about this stuff.... and he makes a pretty good argument.

The standpoint is what happens when you need to get a bill passed, but you can't get enough people to agree on it? Do you just wait and hope people will somehow change their mind? You can try and modify it itself on it's own (which is my stance for what they should be doing...) but what happens when that doesn't work?

The crap added to important bills to me is a load of crap, but it seems this day in age, this is how congress makes compromises. I am not saying it is right, but we have gotten to a point where this might be how the game is played.

Just some thoughts on the subject......
 
You know, I have had long discussions with my boss about this stuff.... and he makes a pretty good argument.

The standpoint is what happens when you need to get a bill passed, but you can't get enough people to agree on it? Do you just wait and hope people will somehow change their mind? You can try and modify it itself on it's own (which is my stance for what they should be doing...) but what happens when that doesn't work?

The crap added to important bills to me is a load of crap, but it seems this day in age, this is how congress makes compromises. I am not saying it is right, but we have gotten to a point where this might be how the game is played.

Just some thoughts on the subject......

I think the whole purpose of majority vote, and the 60% rule, and the 66% rule, is to keep congress from passing bad bills. If a bill can't stand on it's own, then maybe, it shouldn't exist. What, should I select my representative upon his ability to rake in pork, or his ability to represent me? Raking in pork helps your area, and stimulates the local economy, but is it really the best thing for the country. Next, they'll be telling us, it's OK to sell our votes for our representatives. Do I hear 2 packs of cigarettes? Going once, going.....
 
I think the whole purpose of majority vote, and the 60% rule, and the 66% rule, is to keep congress from passing bad bills. If a bill can't stand on it's own, then maybe, it shouldn't exist.

I get you one that.... but since people seem to vote based on party lines, and I don't think there has been a party that is more then those percentages, what other options are there? I am not saying it is right...... just stating the other side of the argument as I have heard it....
 
You know, I have had long discussions with my boss about this stuff.... and he makes a pretty good argument.

The standpoint is what happens when you need to get a bill passed, but you can't get enough people to agree on it? Do you just wait and hope people will somehow change their mind? You can try and modify it itself on it's own (which is my stance for what they should be doing...) but what happens when that doesn't work?

The crap added to important bills to me is a load of crap, but it seems this day in age, this is how congress makes compromises. I am not saying it is right, but we have gotten to a point where this might be how the game is played.

Just some thoughts on the subject......

I can tell you exactly what would happen if they banned tags, addons and giveaways. They would do exactly what they used to do.

I will vote for your bill if you vote for mine.

Do you really think the government would simply shut down if they banned tags, addons and fiveaways??
 
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dissapointed in McCain 10-05-2008 07:56 PMcome to the dark side... vote Obama


Comon fellers, at least have the sack to sign your red dots :(


I'll never vote for Obama, he's a big reason why we are so screwed now. Him and BillyBob Clinton.
 
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