Dilema. Input appreciated Carls 660 or '10 Assault

[corpeleven]

Heres my situation:

I have an 07 600 155 that I absolutely love. It's tuned to perfection and flat out rips. It's got 3400 miles on it now, with a fresh top end last season.

I want more power now, so I've been considering 2 options.

1) For $1500 I'd have a 660 with 3400 miles.

2) For $5000 I can have a 2010 Assault w/ 1200 miles.

Discuss?? Deffinitley on a budget and leaning towards the 660, but worried a little bit about the miles. What do you guys think???

 

[diamonddave]

Hands down the 660 and Carls clutching that goes along with that set-up, if you're on a budget. There are 2 685's in our group that I've set-up and they are unreal. More mid range than the 800 CFI's and will keep up with 8's no problem on the hills and run better due to better mapping and timing. Not to mention the quality of the pistons used in the 660/685's are better than stock. You'll be as happy as the assault maybe even more if you can throw some better shocks on your 6.

If you buy an 08-10 *00 CFI, you may have to deal with some mapping issues which might run you into spending more money.

If you got the money...get a 2011 and keep the 600 stock for a back up sled.

 

[AndrettiDog]

Don't be afraid of the mapping issues. They were tough at first, but several people have figured the mapping out (DynoTech). You might have to swing for PCV to make things work well, but that is a relatively cheap add-on.

 

[corpeleven]

Thanks for the input.

I'm not worried about the mapping. The sled is from a factory Poo R&D guy who is also my mechanic. I'm confident that it would be perfect.

My main questions is do I spend $1500 on a sled that I own and has 3400 miles, or do I spend $5000 on a sled that has 1200 miles???

 

[Hawkster]

Dude you've got a tough one there. It's like comparing a 440 Xcr to a 600 triple , one will never handle like the other but the torque is hard to pass up no matter what the HPR is. Your 600 is worth as much as that 800 because of it's reliability. The big question is does the 800 have a 1,2 or 3 year warranty?

 

[retiredpop]

I wouldn't be concerned about the engine with only 3400 miles on it. If the rest of the sled is in good condition I would definitely go for the 660.

 

[sled_guy]

You could spend $5500 and get a Carl's 840 on your 600... you get everything new including crank. Only thing you re-use is the case.

And then it would kill the Assault and ever other 800 out there.

sled_guy

 

[milehighassassin]

I think much of this comes down to your riding style. The Assault is a bit of a love/hate relationship. I'll tell you now that the shocks are stiff. The Dragon shocks are too soft and the Assault shocks are the opposite end of the spectrum. You can make an Assault turn like a Dragon, but you have to work MUCH harder to do so. I am currently looking at a way to soften up the front end on my Assault (I do have an 09, they changed the shocks in 2010, not sure if it helped).

Obviously the track on the Assault is stiff and short, can you deal with that? You are in Junction so I assume you ride GM mostly?

I love my Assault but you need to realize the weaknesses. Many people complain the Polaris 5.1 track is too soft, well again the Assault is on the other end, very stiff.

On the flip side the 600 you are on does have 3400 miles. I wouldn't worry about the motor on it, but the chasis would be my concern as well. If it were me, I would probably go with the new sled, especially if you can unload the 600 for a good price.

I wouldn't worry about the mapping either.

 

[suitcase]

Go with the 10 Assault, or that is what I would do. The 800 Assault will out do the 660 07, for no other reason than the diffrence between the chassis. Pony up the doe, LOL

 

[F-Bomb]

Suitcase... a boner stock IQ RAW Assault won't out DOOO this 660! Buy one and I'll ride circles around you for any amount of money you are willing to lose or I mean bet. BRING IT BEOTCH (still patches of snow on the caps)

 

[F-Bomb]

Here is a pretty solid example of what you might expect for durability on high milage small block cranks.....

I bought a small block 600 as a wrecked salvage title that showed 2600 miles on the odometer but the sled looked like it had 26,000 miles! It came from Island Park and was most likely a rental pool victim. Anyway we peeled it all apart and took the 600 out, balanced the crank, and then also had our machinist examine the bearings to the best of his ability (it's educated guessing).

Determined solid put it all back together as it was plus a new Carl's 660 top end. Rode it hard (I get to ride alot...at least 2 days a week from December to April) for recreation and then we also raced it often. Two more seasons and then pulled it apart for a look. Same process still determined to be sound. New pistons just because it was apart, and away she went, still runs perfectly to this day. Sold it to one of my very very best friends to keep it sort of in the family as we had to add newer sleds to our herd. That 660 got raced summer on the grass, and winter both drags and climbs. WON a bunch of races and was a standout in it's class. That bottom end is still stock and has to have 10,000 miles on it minimum. Good syn redline oil, excellent precision assembly, excellent tuning, amazing perfomance and long term reliability.

 

[suitcase]

Oh come on, You must be joking!!! Put down the 12 once cans. ( Quote ,for no other reason than the diffrence between the chassis. End quote). The diffrence betwenn the 07 and the 10 Chassis is not even in the same Park. Don't forget we are not talking your 660. LOL, yours is not stock suspended. Get the helicopter ready and we will gooo BEOTCH!!! Heck I'LL even ride the wifes sled.
But for real the 07 stock suspended chassis will not compete with a 10 stock suspended Assualt. You would need more than the 660 come out on top, Ive proven that. If I'm wrong I sure you will correct me.

Is 10X Red the same sled the Noraway guys rode? When did you deface the Black sled?

 

[F-Bomb]

Suitcase Like I said..NOT THIS 660! Yes that was the sled Ole' Bull rode in European Vacation I.



As far as "beating"...Probably not the red one either once I've put her back into top form. In a straight line most likely but maneuvering around NO WAY. I can't even ride the edge's anymore I'm so spoiled with the quality of handling that our newer chassis stuff offers. That is speculation because I didn't run the edge 660 against any new IQ 800's but the black one is a PROVEN FACT.

The only thing stock on the black 07 is the tunnel, bulkhead, and seat. It was reworked into the a "modified" 09 version.

ANYWAY:
That is the sled you had better buy for your kid's 2010 upgrade or you're retarded and he'll grow up to be an ax murderer or worse................. a tree hugging democrat!

Now back to the task at hand.....
corpeleven..I say spend the money on your sled that you currently own and love but simply need more power. The 660 is super satisfying! Ride the dickens out of it this season and then buy a PRO 2011 or new 2012 for the 2012 season. Once you've ridden the PRO all others are obsolete.

 

[AndrettiDog]

I think I would take the money you are talking and re-work your 600. Do the suspension if you haven't ($1000 Fox Evol R's, $1400 Tamer). Do the 660 kit and you have a more all-mountain balanced sled over the Hill Climbing, trenching, short tracked Assault.

 

[suitcase]

Would have to agree about the trenching with the assualt, That track needs to go!

F-Bomb you won't get any lip from me about ol Black there, Ive sean that little monster at work. You make a great point about us being spoiled with the new Chassis. You look back just a few yrs. and see those sleds lagging way behind compared to the 10.

My reason for going with the newer model, IMO and my history everytime I have put the money into a sled that is 4 or more yrs. old I end up wishing I would have dug out a little more and went with the newer model. But thats just me.

For sure Carl's 660 is a great motor, and trouble free.

But heck what do I know Im just a hillbille from the Eagle Caps!!

 

[corpeleven]

Great input guys, appreciated.

My 600 did lose a rod bearing at the beginning of last season. So it's crank has already had some issues. It was repaired by a very reputable source, and ran flawless for another 800-900 miles last season.

Someone mentioned the chassis as being the weak point? What should I look for? My tunnel is fine, and I have not noticed any other signs of damage.

I like to set up my front end stiff, and on my 600 I have Float 2's already.

The Assault I'm looking at has a 5.1 track on it already, so the track is not an issue.

 

[suitcase]

I rode one for half a season in 07, tore off the left A-arms and shock with good resaults to the bulk head. There was no damage, and it hit hard, goast rider down the hill on ice and hit a 3 foot tree. New A-arms and shock and off again. IMO if it could stand up to that and me riding the piss out of it I figured it was a sound sled. LOL.

 

[600xc4me]

I rode one for half a season in 07, tore off the left A-arms and shock with good resaults to the bulk head. There was no damage, and it hit hard, goast rider down the hill on ice and hit a 3 foot tree. New A-arms and shock and off again. IMO if it could stand up to that and me riding the piss out of it I figured it was a sound sled. LOL.

Then there's guys like me who have their bulk head crack for no apparent reason what so ever.... I have heard from others about how strong the bulk heads are, but I have had the opposite experience with mine.

 

[MARV1]

I have 2 600RMK's, both ran good and hard. Both needed new cranks at 7k miles, you are half way there and should be good to go. . . Not exactly new cranks, but a lower rod bearing, I'm ready for the next 7k easily. Buddy has a 600CFI with over 10k on it and still runs strong.

 

[Angermangement890]

I would look hard at the big bore options for the 600. My 06 685 had no issues beating an 09 assualt in all riding conditions.

I would also look At the slp 727, they have them on special now and they offer about a 4-5 sled length improvement over the 660. It would be about $800-1000 more than the 660 with bored carbs, providing you already have the pipe for the 660.