Dead battery no start ? NEED HELP

[TABLEROCK]

Yesterday I started my 05 800 renagade X in the garage by hand because it had a dead battery and it fired right up. I drove it outside and let it sit for 4hrs. but it got much colder outside down to 5 degrees F. I pulled and pulled and could not get it to start by hand . So I changed plugs and tried to start it and did not start. So I decided to put the battery charger on the battery and walked away for 5 min. and tried to start it and it fired right up. I took the charger off and turned sled off tried to start it without charger and would not start . Put the charger back on and it started right up. My ? is do you really need your battery to have at least some power in order for sled to start. I would think you should not even need a battery in the sled to start it. HELP DEAD SLED IN MN !!!!!!!!!!

 

[ak]

Hook up your battery to the charger and pull the recoil and see what happens. You shouldnt need a battery, Maybe your not pulling it over fast enough? Ive seen sleds with bad fuel that were hard to start with a recoil but would start better with the electric start because it turned over faster. Once the owner put fresh fuel in the sled it started much better.

 

[snowcatter]

Sled should not need battery to start with the pull starter . . . bad/weak stator maybe??

 

[Tuesday]

http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?p=281928#post281928

read this should ans your questions.

most likely its the 5$ relay.

On the 07 if you want to start it with a dead battery you have to pull the 2 clutch side fuses start.....then plug fuses back in .....then gtg

 

[TABLEROCK]

but why

Thanks tuesday for the hookup on the forum . But did your sled not start by hand even with a dead battery that the issue Im faceing it will not start by hand but if i hook the battery charger up to the dead battery and pull on it by hand it will fire up every time. then turn the machine off and take the charger off and try and start it by hand it will not start . Thanks a frustrated Tablerock in MN.

 

[H20SKE]

Sorry, but this sounds pretty simple to me---

Go buy a new Battery!!

My 1000 will do the same thing--especially if the battery has a dead cell or is shorted out.


H20SKE...

 

[TABLEROCK]

Should still be able to pull start it without a battery.

 

[ak]

If you pull started the sled with a dead battery in your garage with the charger not hooked up, then its not the battery. is your garage warm? where is the sled at now.

 

[TABLEROCK]

sleds in garage at 35 degrees f its -5 outside right now and thats the best my little heater can do at these temp. the sled should start what a wierd problem.

 

[ak]

and it will start with the recoil and a dead battery with no charger hooked up? But it wont start outside like this unless you have a charger hooked up? That is weird.

 

[Tuesday]

I know for fact on the 07 version that the sled will not start with pull start if the battery is dead, disconnected, blown relay or fuse. Originally I thought hey if the battery dies just yank the cord...... NOPE you have to either find the problem or do the fuse trick. Trust me I spent alot of time over this grimlin. In the end if you want a back up to electric start you need to carry the other wiring harness section in order to bypass the e start mechanism.

Yep its dumb.

When the relay is down your battery will not charge thus the problem at hand.

 

[rockyrider]

dead battery

I have a 07 summit 800 ,my battery keeps dying ,after chargeing it it lasts about a half of a day in cold weather ,and yes i can pull start it with a dead battery without pulling the fuses ,today i will take the battery out of my quad and put in the sled

 

[Tuesday]

I have a 07 summit 800 ,my battery keeps dying ,after chargeing it it lasts about a half of a day in cold weather ,and yes i can pull start it with a dead battery without pulling the fuses ,today i will take the battery out of my quad and put in the sled

That's unusual as default when the battery is dead or disconnected to disable the system.....shrug.

When your sled is running above 3000 rpms are you getting good voltage across the battery 14.5 ish? If not then your relay is probably toast and its not charging. If you can charge it with a charger then the battery is probably fine. Its when the battery quits taking charge is most often when the battery is on the way out.

Later

 

[JLeosnow]

A bit off topic here but..... does anyone know if the XP chassis Summits will run(obviously using the pull start to start the engine) if the battery is dead?

Thanks,
-John

 

[Tuesday]

A bit off topic here but..... does anyone know if the XP chassis Summits will run(obviously using the pull start to start the engine) if the battery is dead?

Thanks,
-John

pull the lead off the battery or the fuse on the battery and you will know in 10 secs.

 

[JLeosnow]

pull the lead off the battery or the fuse on the battery and you will know in 10 secs.

I was just wondering if anyone knew already..... The sled is in hibernation & isn't going to be used for another month. I didn't want to start it for 5 seconds to try and I do have to admit I am feeling a bit lazy to walk out to the shop in the sub zero temps. to try that!

-John

 

[TABLEROCK]

battery in and she is running but know another?

ok battery is in fired up first pull by hand . went to check if machine was charging battery and no change in volts even when running 4000 rpm . Tuesday said he had tried a relay and that worked for him and it was a cheap fix. were exactly is it located and what did your machine put out for volts when running and at what rpm.

 

[BigPoo]

leave the charger on overnight.... you should be set for the season.... alternator not working?

 

[Tuesday]

ok battery is in fired up first pull by hand . went to check if machine was charging battery and no change in volts even when running 4000 rpm . Tuesday said he had tried a relay and that worked for him and it was a cheap fix. were exactly is it located and what did your machine put out for volts when running and at what rpm.

Relay is a small black box on the clutch side tucked up above the secondary. Follow the wires back from the 2 fuses clutch side....cant miss it. Charging voltage should be 14.5 volts......your relay is pouched or could be something more serious aka regulator/stator. Most likely the relay.

Later

 

[2walla]

Tuesday knows his chit... Been there..