i found my cutler kit quiet, a bit of a rumble but certainly not loud.
CPC or Boondocker? Since we got off topic on the last thread
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i found my cutler kit quiet, a bit of a rumble but certainly not loud.
Ok so we pulled the trigger on the CPC stage 1. Easy to upgrade later on to stage 2 If we desire more ponies lol. Can't wait for it to come in.
Wait till next year
Mine was nice & quiet at first too... I really wish he made them re-packable. I'd pay an extra $50 or so to have a can I could repack & not be obnoxious.
Wait till next year
Mine was nice & quiet at first too... I really wish he made them re-packable. I'd pay an extra $50 or so to have a can I could repack & not be obnoxious.
how did it get louder? mine was just a hollow can with a metal screen in it. i cut it off and im in the middle of doing a custom straight pipe and divorced waste gate out of the side panel. hopefully sounds better than it did.
Maybe the PC & M cans are different? Mine clearly had packing that blew out.
It was MUCH quieter than our 09 at first, and by middle of the next year it was much louder. I went from folks saying they were impressed with how quiet it was, to a buddy telling me how loud it is. You can cut it open & repack it, but that's a pain. It came packed with glass, and I talked to Dale about repacking it with metal wool (don't know the proper term, sorry) and he said that would be fine.
Lets put something to rest. No matter what kit, if you tune it right the amount of boost on pg doesn't mean anything. Some of you think oooooo more boost with that kit on pg must mean more power. when in fact its the other way around. The truth is you can only make so much power on 91 octane, boost is NOT the limiting factor. Its 91 only take so much pressure before it goes bang. Some kits at elevation will run 9lbs before det and some 6lbs. So it means the kit on 6lbs is making way more power per 1lb of boost than the other kit. Thus it is more efficient. To add, the kit making more power with less boost will also maintain lower charge temps therefor it will hold that power longer before it heats up to much and creates problems.
This is why I choose twisted or OVS, both running bigger turbos which are more efficient, OVS is prob one of the most efficient because of the tail, but it has more stuff on it, I like twisted because its basic, simple and works. You may not here about those 2 much which is a good thing, it means you havent heard of the problems either.
Out of the 2, Cutler is by far the easier (less is more) to tune and seems to run forever, but get the stage II. BD is more for the guy that like to be able to constantly mess with things.
Reality, these days they all work, BD takes the most knowledge to be able to tune.
For me, I would piece together a kit the way I want it.
This is why I choose twisted or OVS, both running bigger turbos which are more efficient, OVS is prob one of the most efficient because of the tail, but it has more stuff on it, I like twisted because its basic, simple and works. You may not here about those 2 much which is a good thing, it means you havent heard of the problems either.
Out of the 2, Cutler is by far the easier (less is more) to tune and seems to run forever, but get the stage II. BD is more for the guy that like to be able to constantly mess with things.
Reality, these days they all work, BD takes the most knowledge to be able to tune.
For me, I would piece together a kit the way I want it.
Turbo kits
You know boost is boost and piping.
The biggest difference in all the kits is fuel management .
There is Dolbeck box, Boondocker Box, and Power commander the rest is really just plumbing.
Plus and minuses
The dolbeck box is simple no # is 90% pre tuned just fine tune and go.The silly thing that just makes no sense is why they can not manipulate the fuel on bottom end. I hate that you have to turn fuel pressure down to clean bottom end up then put in a Pressure reg so it will increase it back up to deliver enough fuel at boost . That and being that it is 90% pre tuned if that is messed up you do not have a chance at getting it right.
Power commander. Plan and simple best box but you can not tune it on the hill with out a PC gives it a Hugh minus in my mind. Plus very complex for Joe blow.
BD box Best as far as capability as far as a tuner goes. Can go from 0 to 100% on the hill. No need for playing with fuel pressure or caring a computer with you . Minuses can be summed up in one word Customer service. Its like they do not want or need your business.
That is my .02 on the turbo market
There are some thing I do not agree with on plumbing.
I do not like CPC front discharge exhaust (will plug) or cold are intake plug up and chokes turbo
I do not like all the electronics IE like the EBC might be good but adds one more place to fail.
I do not like side exhaust to noisy and will plug.
I hope I do not offend any one with my honest opinions take them for what they are my opinion.
Have a good day.
You know boost is boost and piping.
The biggest difference in all the kits is fuel management .
There is Dolbeck box, Boondocker Box, and Power commander the rest is really just plumbing.
Plus and minuses
The dolbeck box is simple no # is 90% pre tuned just fine tune and go.The silly thing that just makes no sense is why they can not manipulate the fuel on bottom end. I hate that you have to turn fuel pressure down to clean bottom end up then put in a Pressure reg so it will increase it back up to deliver enough fuel at boost . That and being that it is 90% pre tuned if that is messed up you do not have a chance at getting it right.
Power commander. Plan and simple best box but you can not tune it on the hill with out a PC gives it a Hugh minus in my mind. Plus very complex for Joe blow.
BD box Best as far as capability as far as a tuner goes. Can go from 0 to 100% on the hill. No need for playing with fuel pressure or caring a computer with you . Minuses can be summed up in one word Customer service. Its like they do not want or need your business.
That is my .02 on the turbo market
There are some thing I do not agree with on plumbing.
I do not like CPC front discharge exhaust (will plug) or cold are intake plug up and chokes turbo
I do not like all the electronics IE like the EBC might be good but adds one more place to fail.
I do not like side exhaust to noisy and will plug.
I hope I do not offend any one with my honest opinions take them for what they are my opinion.
Have a good day.
Y will the exhaust plug with a turbo and not a non turboed motor?
Depends on how you ride
The stock plug all the time when you side hill in very deep snow just feel the difference in power from one side to other.
The stock plug all the time when you side hill in very deep snow just feel the difference in power from one side to other.
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mynewuseddoo
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As I've mentioned in other threads, I've deliberately tried to make my CPC TM8 bog or plug the stock exhaust outlet while side hilling and could never do it. Tunnel dump is a gimmick from my experience.
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mynewuseddoo
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MM I do agree with you on the cold air intake in super deep snow, it will choke off the turbo inlet. Running a cone style snorkel is a better solution to the cold air intake for deep snow. The flat surfaces of the hood induction are bad for collecting snow. Constantly brushing snow off of them on deep days lol.
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Its lot about how you ride 90% will never see it but me I will see almost every ride depending on snow. I have as much fun going down a hill as up. So in packing snow if I am descending down a hill and I shove the exhaust side in the snow and go to gas and go back up the hill it will do it almost every time.
Its lot about how you ride 90% will never see it but me I will see almost every ride depending on snow. I have as much fun going down a hill as up. So in packing snow if I am descending down a hill and I shove the exhaust side in the snow and go to gas and go back up the hill it will do it almost every time.
Just doing turns with a stock exhaust or side exist exhaust is fine. But say you want to stop on a steep/deep downhill. Your only choice is to "bulldog" (that's what Dan Adams calls it) and throw the sled on it's side panels/hood and slide it sideways. Unless you have a tunnel dump the can will pack with snow and nearly snuff out the engine, sometimes causing a stuck if you needed to point the sled back uphill.
So yes, all people won't have this problem (I know in all the climbing vids on youtube everyone careens straight back down their original track, completely out of control) but do you really want your exhaust to determine what you can learn to do on a sled? Plus a tunnel dump is quiet. Quiet is good. Don't be "that guy."
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