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Ruffy, you and I aparently think on completely different wave lengths. I am thankfull for the benefits my company provides. They are not great, I pay quite a bit for my insurance, and I only have a 401k with a small company match. But it is better than nothing. I would hate to have to foot the whole bill for my insurance. I think we all know that "most" companies would not make up the difference in the employees paycheck if they didn't provide these benefits. It would simply go to the upper echelon's bonuses.

Again, fun debate :face-icon-small-hap

Don't mistake me, I am thankful for my benefits. I guess I would rather the system for all exclude health insurance and retirement. I guess I just feel bad for people that work and sacrifice their lives for a company to fire them right before they retire, or to go bankrupt to shed retirement obligations.

Maybe most companies wouldn't make up the difference initially. Eventually I think they would, supply / demand / competition and all that, but you never know.
 
There's a reason those laws are in place. There is another thread on here about what happened to a gentleman for telling his boss he was a gun guy. He didn't get fired but was treated very poorly because of it. Now rmk, you say you can fire for any reason, well lets just imagine you worked for a tree huggin hippie who found out you were a snowmobiler, which caused you to get into a pizzin match with this tree huggin hippie boss. Well, he hates anything with an engine and decides he doesn't want you working for him anymore and fires you. How's that right to work working out for you now?

I'm not trying to start an argument with you, just want to help you see the other side of the coin. All good clean hypothetical fun :)

I would say go ahead and fire me, because anyone that I would WANT to work for.... Wouldn't fire me because my beliefs differed from his/hers.
 
I guess I just feel bad for people that work and sacrifice their lives for a company to fire them right before they retire, or to go bankrupt to shed retirement obligations.

Can't do much about the bankrupcy thing, but your statement right here regarding firing is part of the whole argument behind having laws protecting employees rights. So obviously you would be able to understand why they are in place in some states. :face-icon-small-hap
 
Can't do much about the bankrupcy thing, but your statement right here regarding firing is part of the whole argument behind having laws protecting employees rights. So obviously you would be able to understand why they are in place in some states. :face-icon-small-hap

Maybe my point is that people should protect themselves instead of letting the government do it for them. Government solutions always have unintended consequences and are subject to abuse / misuse and manipulation.
 
Maybe my point is that people should protect themselves instead of letting the government do it for them. Government solutions always have unintended consequences and are subject to abuse / misuse and manipulation.

As I stated before, it is not a perfect system. But, I think it is better than power hungry managers, bonus minded CEO's, and big ego'd little man syndromed mini-hitlers, being able to run completely roughshod over the work force with no reins to pull them in.

And no those coments are not directed at anybody in particular so please don't take offense.

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Hi Mafesto, I would like to run a hypothetical by you. Let's say you have been a loyal employee working for the same company for 30 years. Retirement is in sight, you have nice company provided pension built up, and the company you work for provides your insurance once you retire because of your length of service. Keep in mind it is your companies policy that if for whatever reason, you are terminated, you will lose these benefits.

Now, lets just say after 30 years they decide to fire you for whatever reason. Whether there was a new boss that just didn't like you, or after 30 years you made 1 mistake and your comany wanted a way out of paying those benefits, either which would be completely legal in a right to work state as stated above.
Now realizing your hopes of a bright happy retirement are completely gone after 30 years of hard work and dedication would you still say "oh well, it's just a job. I'll go find another"?

After 30 years (or 3 for that matter) there is very little an employer can do that should surprise you if you are paying attention to what's going on.
 
I have always found that if you are really good at what you do employment will never be an issue.
 
I have always found that if you are really good at what you do employment will never be an issue.

That is true, I could have a new job tomorrow in my business, because I am well known, have done it a long time, and somewhat know my stuff. One of my customers told me a few days ago that my competition wanted to know how they could make a bigger footprint in this account, they were told to hire me. Now this is all fine and dandy, but the topic of discussion is based on termination (specifically wrongfully). What about everything you lose, vacation time, sick time, possibly 401k funds if you are not fully vested in employer match, insurance, etc?
 
poor character of the employee or employees who didnt fess us. simple as that. and as far as the employer having to threaten job loss, well obviously they HAD to to get the truth out, if they had honest employees they wouldnt have to do that, but they obviously dont trust the employees.
 
Didn't say that. But the 2 week guy deserves an opportunity to prove himself and there is no way you can judge how an employee will work out after 2 weeks. Hell when i first started in the career I am in 32 years ago. I myself thought what in the hell am I doing here? I suck at this. I also had a boss who kept on me and pointed out my mistakes and helped me learn from them and in turn helped me succeed in what I do. If I had a boss like you sound like you may be and fire someone after 2 weeks of mistakes, I would not be where i am today.
And to answer your question. Yes I would be treated the same as a 2 week employee would be treated if we, say wrecked a truck. 1st time written warning. 2nd time written warning. If he did it 3 times in 2 weeks he would be terminated. If I did it 3 times in 2 weeks I would be terminated

BS. If you cannot evalutate a person and his work ethic in two weeks, then YOU are the one who needs a knew job.
 
I have always found that if you are really good at what you do employment will never be an issue.

That is what I was JUST thinking when scrolling through the posts, you never see a spectacular employee looking for work......
 
maybe its just here in sd. but i know of no instances where somebody has been fired because they just simply werent liked. im sure there are places that have done it but i would bet its very rare. as for the original point of this thread. if the person didnt admit the accident right away in my experience its because they were screwing around or being negligent. we have never fired anybody for something like this. the big one around here is guys backing forklifts into half open garage doors. nobody admits to it right away but everybody gets such a kick out of ratting out the culprit its only minutes before we find who did it. so there is a little poking fun and wise cracks and once we put the repair bill up on the bulletin board. was great fun for everybody and that guy hasnt hit a door since haha. point being they all start off trying to deny it because they know they didnt look to make sure the door was open just floored it until something stopped them. i could see where some companies might terminate an employee for something like that but they always come clean when you confront them.. and we would rather tease them in front of the rest of the guys. then we dont lose a good worker and we have some fun with them. a good employee wont get dumped so fast
 
To the same point, the company I work for, a LARGE const company, about 10 years ago started promoting the behavior of reporting "near misses", something that "almost" casued an accident or injury. At the time I was skeptical about it because of alot of the reasons mentioned in the previous posts. After time I grew to support the policy of reporting near misses so that others could learn from someone else's mistakes.
Well with our recent goals of ZERO incident and injuries, which for a top 10 const company, is actually coming to fruition. Our overall TRIR is well below 1 and our LTFR is very near zero. WIth this emphasis, the executives are seeing the dollar signs involved and now "near misses" are considered incidents and craft employees are being punished for this. This has now, expectedly, led back to the old behavior of hiding a near miss.
Similar situation with the OP's post about teh truck bumper.
We are now making the employees less comfortable with reporting their mistakes due to teh fear of punishment.
It's gone full circle and headed in the wrong direction again.
We have become our own worst enemy in the "quest for zero incidents." To the extreme that in the 12 yrs I've worked for the company, driven close to 500k mi in a company truck, never wrecked one, many dents and dings, mostly from my employees using the truck, this past year I had 3 "incidents."
1. Backed into a car taking evasive action to not get run over by a tanker truck cutting a corner. Minor damage to both vehicles. Yes, my new truck would have been toast. The previously damaged fence and busted power pole on htat corner are proof that the tankers sometimes cut the corner and blow thru the intersection.
2. Got called in by another motorist for talking on my cell phone while driving.
WTH, love Washington!
3. 2 guys excited about their holiday weekend hit my truck in a parking lot.
This resulted in me losing my truck for a period of time as "punishment."

Sure, I'm afraid to report what happens now. After driving hundreds of thousands of safe miles and contributing $millions in profits over the years I get punished for that crap?
Oh just had 4 high ranking district managerial employees terminated because a DBE subcontractor lied to us about the supplier of their equipment and after the fact the sub was found to not be contributing a "commercially useful function" per the DBE laws. Only one of the 4 people was actually responsible for the sub's work onsite and likely the only person with the knowledge of the sub's errors, however, 3 long time accountants got the axe too becasue they played a role in the "contract administration."
We fired 4 valued, career employees, yet that sub still works for us on other projects................double standard.
Also had a junior PM lose his job over making waves with one of our Demo subs due to their unsafe actions. The fact that teh Demo guy had a much bigger financial impact on other projects got him the hall pass and our PM got fired over it. ANother double standard with respect to our "Zero incidents" policy!

Not defending the employees specifically in the first post as honesty is still the best policy, but theres some good examples posted above as to the justifacation to hide a mistake or accident.
 
After 2 pages finally someone who gets it, AZ800 you know exactly what I am talking about. And a couple others also
 
maybe its just here in sd. but i know of no instances where somebody has been fired because they just simply werent liked. im sure there are places that have done it but i would bet its very rare. as for the original point of this thread. if the person didnt admit the accident right away in my experience its because they were screwing around or being negligent. we have never fired anybody for something like this. the big one around here is guys backing forklifts into half open garage doors. nobody admits to it right away but everybody gets such a kick out of ratting out the culprit its only minutes before we find who did it. so there is a little poking fun and wise cracks and once we put the repair bill up on the bulletin board. was great fun for everybody and that guy hasnt hit a door since haha. point being they all start off trying to deny it because they know they didnt look to make sure the door was open just floored it until something stopped them. i could see where some companies might terminate an employee for something like that but they always come clean when you confront them.. and we would rather tease them in front of the rest of the guys. then we dont lose a good worker and we have some fun with them. a good employee wont get dumped so fast

Don't know about SD but in most states teasing someone because of an accident could very well be considered harassment especially if mgmnt participates in it or does nothing to stop it. All it would take is one employee to not handle it well, and lawyers would be all over that one.
 
I do some vehicle transportation on the side. My neighbor works for a car dealer and I do dealer trades for them occasionally. (You want a blue car but all they have is a red one. I go swap em out)
I lost a set of keys and 2 remotes. Set em down while loading up and then drove off without em. As soon as I realized it I reported it to both dealerships some could solve the problem.
I assumed the responsibility and asked for help fixing it. They replaced the remotes and key at cost. Whole thing cost me twice what I made on that trip but they continue to ask me to do it because they know they wont have problems or I'll fix a problem as soon as one arises.
Honesty is the best policy in my opinion.

I also like the idea of ribbing each other over a mistake. I would have much rather taken a lot of harassment than written a check for $250 for keys I wasn't going to keep.

Heck I was let go for a spending ticket several years ago. 95 in a 55. Could have been jail time if he had pushed it.
2 months later I went to this guys house for his daughters Blessing. I was sitting there minding my own business and "Hey everyone, lets watch me pull Charlie over"!
Ahh dang! I knew I was going to pay for that one way or the other! Well might as well just grin and bear it.
 
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I'm with Dizz.

And a front bumper getting TORN off is not a minor ding. Depending and what happened the frame could have been damaged badly. Also depends on how the bumper was bolted on. But having it ripped off is not a small thing, that took a considerable amount of force. A dent or scratch is minor.
 
Don't know about SD but in most states teasing someone because of an accident could very well be considered harassment especially if mgmnt participates in it or does nothing to stop it. All it would take is one employee to not handle it well, and lawyers would be all over that one.

I can't even imagine being in a work situation of any kind that would inspire me to think about hiring a lawyer. If my employer sucks, it is time for me to start looking for a new job. What the hell is his world coming to??
 
I can't even imagine being in a work situation of any kind that would inspire me to think about hiring a lawyer. If my employer sucks, it is time for me to start looking for a new job. What the hell is his world coming to??

We have all turned into complacent and weak pussies?
 
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