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CMX PLUS RAPTOR

I'm not a fan of the front end, but HUGELY a fan of the skid being moved forward... anyone who has ridden a TS with an uncut strut HAS to notice how off it seems. There's no reason we should need such heavy springs for winter, the kit is just too far back imo. bringing the balance point forward, taking weight off the ski has to be a good thing in my world.

I could be wrong, but I believe only a few bikes (non-linkage) will benefit from the adjustable frame mounting options. I know the mountain horse on my RMZ had very little clearance between the track and the linkage mounts on the frame.

I agree though - these kits need to be mounted as close to the bike as possible without moving the drivers below the bike frame. Hopefully TSS will reduce the need for heavy fork springs.
 
With Timbersled having the TSS they still have the absolute upper hand IMO. That much extra travel trumps all the positives this kit will have I am betting. Love the dual ski design and full machining though. I think 2017-8 is going to have some real game changers
 
Unreal , instead of coming up with a supposeable fix how about making a ski for a set of forks that where never designed for a ski/skis to begin with or just by a sled since nobody can actually design something that doesn't come from a sled .

The front end of a dirt bike with a ski will never be able to do what it does with a tire , the ski has to work like a tire , how much simpler can I get ?

Wait a second I get it now ............... training wheels ........... I mean training skis .
 
Mtn. Muncher;As for the CMX kit I am a little disappointed to see how much their product resembles ours.[/QUOTE said:
I have said this every time a new kit comes out, "looks like another timbersled to me" I know there is a reason, the Timbersled works!!! but it would be fun to see a totally different rig come out to the market. How about a purpose built snowbike, maybe the exact opposite of what we have now... A snow bike that you could buy a wheel kit for:noidea: 70% snow/30% dirt. small, compact, light and purpose built for snow.:noidea:
 
This looks like it has some real potential on and off trail.

Just like the SX kit that performs as well as it does because the ski packs almost the whole track width thereby reducing rolling resistance in deep snow.

The 2 skis will pack down the whole width ahead of the track freeing up available HP. To have the track closer to the bike also a SX kit deal -- helped Huge in that Application. Knowing this we already have proof that these concepts work well. Now we have some Companies with some real capabilities and know how to bring forward some great refinements and Quality -- what is not to like.

To Allen all I can say it is lonely at the top -- everyone is gunning for you. At the end of the day you guys got to where you are the same way the new start ups are going about it -- taking all the good proofed Ideas and adding yours to make a better kit. By this process TS stuff will continue to Improve at a ever increasing rate or become the 2 Moto of Years gone by.

By the way I see nothing wrong for someone to have a Yeti with a TSS and a dual frond ski if they feel so inclined let the Consumer have some fun with all the options out there.
 
Looks like the original Yamaha telescopic strut suspension TSS !

You're absolutely right, I didn't see that at first but that's exactly how it looks, I had 2 of those sleds back in the day. The bushings in the Yamis used to get loose overtime and the skis kind would develop a mind of their own.

M5
 
To the comment that some just keeps saying they all look like a TS kit. In my opinion they paved the way and figured out what works and what doesn't for the mountains. Now that everyone knows what works why would they change the design completely? Its just like dirtbikes now, they all are the same concept. Shocks and forks are relatively the same, just the frames have different designs and geometry. To completely change the game like TS did back in 2011 (I think) would be tough in the snowbike world unless someone comes out with a fully dedicated snowbike. Which I'm sure is coming sooner than we think...
 
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Three snow bike reviews:

UFO:

Yes I understand it is off the market but it is a unit we compared to. It was mounted on a KTM 450. It had no breaks, yet, they were never needed. There was so much drag that not only you didn’t need a break but the 450 didn’t have the power to keep up with the Timber Sleds. If it was on the show room floor next to the Timber Sled I would purchase it first based upon looks, yet, looks were deceiving. During half the season we stripped off the gear on the track shaft. We ran it hard and one rider in our group got it to work but we also stuck him with it all the time. It was highly affected by rider weight.

Timbersled:

We ran the 2014 and the 2015 on a Honda 450 and a KTM 450. The problem here was the Honda always got the worst skis (front end kit discussed later) which gave me a bad impression which I unfairly put on the bike. The KTM had a 2014 121 TS with a belt drive. This unit was a nightmare to get running. Nothing was square or straight. After shimming and work it ran good with the belt drive. The Honda had the 2015 121 TS. During testing the 2014 obtained the 2.5” Yeti track. This was a drastic improvement over the stock track. Both units were an improvement over the UFO with the 2014 TS being better than the 2015. The belt drive and the track were the improvements. The belt drive freed up needed horse power and the 2.5” track was what we all knew it to be.

CMXBK:

OMG. Within the first 100’ we all knew this was a new world. They moved the unit forward over 1.5”. This changed the handling to the point where you have better control. It is 10 pounds lighter than the TS. The weights were from the 2014 121” vs the 121” CMX-BK. It has been built by a Snowmobile Builder. There are no grease zerks and all bearings are high speed and sealed. It has Ice Age rails with a snowmobile suspension backed up with Raptor Shocks. I had the 137” and was real worried. I bounced on it in the shop and thought I was going to get thrown off when I hit the bumps on the trail. Oh, how wrong I was. The suspension worked to perfection. It was a real smooth ride. We had no problems or adjustments on the suspension. Once again a Snowmobile Builder set them up. We had two 450 KTM bikes, one with a 121” and the other with a 129”. The other two were 500 KTM bikes with a 129” and a 137”. Each performed flawlessly.

Raptor Front end kit:

What a game changer. We ran this front end all winter. We used numerous skis and the current set works the best. Each ski works independently of the other and mounted to each fork. It is WOT on the trail with less stress on the rider’s shoulders. It really shines on the side hill. The uphill carbide of each ski holds the side hill. When crossing dirt it won’t dig or plows like the big Simmons Ski. Once you trust the front end you will be in 5th gear on the trail. One rider even said he will never ride a single ski again.

Conclusion:

The CMX-BK is a game changer. It gives the rider a greater feel of control in every situation. Combined with the Raptor front end it is the full package. This is my first year on the snow bikes and the difference is amazing. From the first time rider to the Pro, it will out preform your expectations. I am so glad I got to be part of the R&D on this project.


Where was this tested and developed?


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