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Closer than you think A MUST READ !!!!

Powderhound

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It is now closer to reality than you think

You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door. Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers. At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way. With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shot.gun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it. In the darkness, you make out two shadows.

One holds something that looks like a crowbar. When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire. The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside. As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.

In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless. Yours was never registered. Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar has died. They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm. When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.

"Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing. "Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."

The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper. Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys. Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them. Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times. But the next day's headline says it all: "Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die." The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters. As the days wear on, the story takes wings. The national media picks it up, then the international media. The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.

Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win. The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects. After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time. The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

A few months later, you go to trial. The charges haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted. When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works against you. Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man. It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.

The judge sentences you to life in prison.

This case really happened.

On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed one burglar and wounded a second. In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term.

How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire ?

It started with the Pistols Act of 1903. This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license. The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns.

Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.

Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987. Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed Man with a Kalashnikov rifle (AK-47), walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw. When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions. (The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals. Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners. Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns. The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few sidearm still owned by private citizens.

During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism. Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun. Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying, "We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times, and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had no fear of the consequences. Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.

When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given three months to turn them over to local authorities. Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law. The few who didn't were visited by police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply. Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.

How did the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had been registered and licensed. Kinda like cars.

Sound familiar?

WAKE UP AMERICA , THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."

--Samuel Adams
 
Sounds like and injustice for all.

Fact is that the Firemen will arrive first, however can not do anything until the police (which have way more resources) get to the emergency, Fact is i would rather rely on Firemen to help me than police. what was so important the police were doing? oh thats right harrassing the punks for skateboarding in the park.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgWrV8TcUc
 
Not quite the whole story...

Tony Martin..wiki

Tony Martin...BBC

I think the major problem was that Tony was off his rocker and killed a person as they were leaving the house...

If they were leaving then it does not seem like self defense... Though, that is a gray area.. Seem wrong he went to jail for that long, or at all...

I wonder what would have happened (in the legal case) if he had his permit and didn't have little traps and stuff around his house...
 
Great post.

Ruffy, if you were thinking of burglarizing someones home, but had a suspicion that they would shoot you on sight for doing so, I am pretty sure you would not do it. Correct?
If the athorities would not have arrested Martin, and justified his shooting of an attacker/burglar in his house, how many more burglaries would that alone have stopped? It would have at least deterred many knowing the fact they may not survive it, wouldn't you say?

Listen, I dont agree with shooting someone in the back. But I do not agree with someone coming into my home, no matter their reason. One would not happen without the other.
 
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Hmmm. Sounds like my country. I new a fellow that had his house broke into and his handgun was stolen along with other stuff. Later when the thief was caught, the handgun owner was criminally charged for owning a illegal fire arm.

The other day a friend of mine's home was broke into. A bunch of things were stole, but not his firearms. The cops came and investigated the home and came across a few rifles. They sized the guns... because they were not in a locked cabinet with no trigger locks on them. He may not get the guns back, he might be charged for not having them locked up. These were registered firearms!

So what would you do in a situation like this? If all your firearms are locked up so tight there is a slim chance you would have time to unlock the gun, unlock the ammo, to defend yourself. Pretty sad when the only legal weapon
is a avy probe, or shovel.
 
Ruffy, if you were thinking of burglarizing someones home, but had a suspicion that they would shoot you on sight for doing so, I am pretty sure you would not do it. Correct?

Correct... just pointing out that the story gives a much different picture of Martin than seems actual.... and the events and how it happened are a little different... The story posted is a little too rosy with respect to Martin..
 
same picture up here ....some dink walks into my house and tries to rape my wife yada yada yada ...I blast em Im the bad guy lets just say if it ever happens ......the garden will really grow good the next year ................
 
Great Post.

ruffryder I don't care what way he was headding, If your in MY house un invited I WILL shoot. He had a Choise and he chose to break into a house. You get what you get when you make that call IMO.






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Great Post.

ruffryder I don't care what way he was headding, If your in MY house un invited I WILL shoot. He had a Choise and he chose to break into a house. You get what you get when you make that call IMO.

Bingo! Life's full of choices.





Nice find Powderhound.
 
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