Just got done talking with Carl's performance about getting my cyl ported for my pro. "Joe" told me they have a "package" they do that has a head,porting,pipe,and a power commander. I told him that I will be running a stock pipe and a PA head with A2D's "fix kit" and he instantly asked me if I have had any problems with det since using the head??? Said they get bad reports on that head all the time and since I'm not running his full kit he isn't interested in porting my cyl. WTF?????? I'm pissed because I have heard nothing but great things about Carl's buuuuuuut "joe" ruined it for me and they will never get a call from me again. Rant over
Carl's cycle service refusal???
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I've never dealt with Carls before at all, but I don't think I would have an issue with them turning down the porting work if they weren't confident in it working for you. It sounds like they have a package that works for them and is tested, if you want porting have you asked A2D or even PAR since you are running their parts? Sometimes it can be tough to get something to work when you are using components from 3 different companies, if it doesn't work as you hoped or you have issues who's fault is it?
Shouldn't be any issues to be had! No one up here does porting (reputable) and ive never heard of someone turning down a porting job.
J
Jaynelson
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Whoooaa big fella.....if he doesn't think it will work well, or that it will cause issues....turning it down is the absolute best thing he could have done. If it's a combo he has seen issues with, or a combo they have not tested, would you rather they be honest or just blow smoke at you?
Would you rather they took your money and left you with something that doesn't run right, blows up, etc?
Would you rather they took your money and left you with something that doesn't run right, blows up, etc?
Carls is a stand up business and I would not take offence if they turned it down . Call Brad at PAR and see if he can help you out after all it is his head .
Carls is proud of there work, and dont want to risk there rep.
Your mad about them not doing it, imagine how mad you be if your sled ran like a turd after.
"it worked before the porting carls ported it now it dosent work, carls is junk"
This isn't my first rodeo! Carl's uses slp and we all know but I feel he refused me of service based on my knowledge and the choice to run the par head. Slp might make good stuff but I think there is better for less money. Maybe I should have left this alone but I feel he made the wrong choice, my money will go to another builder and I'm 100% sure my motor will run just fine with my choice of parts.
There are a lot of combinations out there and when you mix and match a company like Carls can not give you the performance you want because they only have time to test,clutch and do a fuel map for their package.
No matter how much power you make it has to have the correct fuel map and clutching to go along with it to make it work .
Hope this helps.
Carls is a good company and only sells things that work.
J
Jaynelson
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So you would rather they work on your sled, even if they are not comfortable with the parts combination, or confident in a good outcome? Sorry, but that makes no sense.
If you've got money you're looking to blow out the door, send the visa# and cylinders down to me....I've got a die grinder and an 8 pack.
If you've got money you're looking to blow out the door, send the visa# and cylinders down to me....I've got a die grinder and an 8 pack.
Well, YOU are sure it will work but Carl's may not be. I don't think we have enough information here. It sounds like you think Carl's turned you down out of something like petty jealousy -" if you aren't running our stuff, we won't work on your sled." I wasn't a party to the conversation, only you and Joe were, but I find that a bit hard to believe. They have a great reputation (I had one of their 660 kits) and I can't imagine that they would turn down work because of ego or jealousy. Most likely it is as people above have mentioned, they aren't confident in your parts combo so they don't want to participate. Or maybe they are just busy and have enough work to be able to turn away smaller less profitable jobs. Either way, I don't think they meant to insult you, which it sounds like they did, even if it was unintentional.
I couldn't pass up the opportunity:
Ok I was going to stay out of this but I have ask. So you think because you have a knowledge of motors he refused to port your engine? Do you know how stupid you sound? Sorry if this pisses you off, but sometimes it's better to hear it than not.
It is what it is! But I know as soon as I said anything about a par head he started to get gun shy???? I know there are sleds up here in alaska with everything I plan to use with porting from another respected builder but I figured I would try Carl's because I have heard nothing but good about them.
Hostile, I have run into porting changes affecting the det limit on one of my race motors in the past(a simple layover into the valve pocket ended up requiring an extra 4* retard going into high gear to stop a det issue). I really hope you understand Carl's is simply protecting their name by not doing porting on a combo they have not run thru their own testing. I am sure Kurt can get yours ported up thru Doug Ruth, or check with Brad and see who he recommends...I sure wouldn't be mad at Carl's for protecting themselves before the fact(might have even saved you some headaches as well)..Good Luck...
Did you ever notice the best people in the industry dont just do every job someone throws at them. They can be picky because there stuff works, if you very from what they figured out it may work or may not but why would they want to take that chance?
Does SLP make alot of stuff for Carls? Sure. Alot of it is different designed stuff you can only buy from carls not from SLP or anywhere else, its there own design!
Why would you want to use Bobs head, Steves Cyliders, Harry's pipe, Joes reeds??? Did you figure out something none of these other companies figured out?
or are you just guessing?
No reputable company wants to take a chance of getting bashed over 1 part they worked on and you used 3 other peoples stuff and now your not happy and then you go bash them more than you already are because they refused to do your work because they dont want to take that chance.
Carls obviously made the right choice here.
If you want a combo that works get there combo all from them, I know it works and so do they, if for some stray reason something is off they can fix it really easy!
Carls is probably the best Polaris complete Snowmobile mod shop for Polaris mountain sleds. If you use there whole package you will be happy. Jack test every package until he is content with it, until then no consumer will get to try it.
Trigstad is probably arguably the best skidoo motor guy. If you dont use his complete combo he doesnt do a thing for you period. Why? because he knows it works and he knows you will be happy.
Its quality control! More companies should be this way!
Does SLP make alot of stuff for Carls? Sure. Alot of it is different designed stuff you can only buy from carls not from SLP or anywhere else, its there own design!
Why would you want to use Bobs head, Steves Cyliders, Harry's pipe, Joes reeds??? Did you figure out something none of these other companies figured out?
or are you just guessing? No reputable company wants to take a chance of getting bashed over 1 part they worked on and you used 3 other peoples stuff and now your not happy and then you go bash them more than you already are because they refused to do your work because they dont want to take that chance.Carls obviously made the right choice here.
If you want a combo that works get there combo all from them, I know it works and so do they, if for some stray reason something is off they can fix it really easy!
Carls is probably the best Polaris complete Snowmobile mod shop for Polaris mountain sleds. If you use there whole package you will be happy. Jack test every package until he is content with it, until then no consumer will get to try it.
Trigstad is probably arguably the best skidoo motor guy. If you dont use his complete combo he doesnt do a thing for you period. Why? because he knows it works and he knows you will be happy.
Its quality control! More companies should be this way!
All porting is not the same! Porting is not just everyone does the same thing!
It effects everything in the motor. Just like a head is not the same as every other head around!
Carls has lots of ported, heads, pipes, pcv sleds running around in Alaska also. And I would bet they run as good or better than any combo your trying to piece together.
If you just buy the whole kit motor work, tune from pcv, clutching, I have this exact setup. It will be pull the rope, put gas and oil in, and go rip. no messing around just go have fun.
hostile1 did you hang that handle on yourself? Seems fitting....
G
gman086
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THIS!
I have a Ruth ported motor and can tell you that you'd damn well better know the det limits and mapping for the head you're running as the port job (unlike a generic port job) requires even more fuel. Carl's did you a huge favor. You'd probably be spending your winter trying to get the mapping right, if not burning down going your hodge-podge route. In fact, thanks for posting as it just reaffirms to me that they (Carl's) are stand up straight shooters looking out for their customer's best interests.
Have FUN!
G MAN
And now you know why you have heard only good things.....they don't want you riding a rodeo.
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