Bob Costas commentary

[snowrdr]

I don't think you can say that with 100% certainty. While I don't agree with restricting weapons, I think it would be easy to say that if all guns were illegal, after a while the weapons would be removed from society (or drastically decreased) and the amount of violent crimes would be reduced.

Okay, tell you what to quote Charlie Daniels "take them away from the criminals first and then I will give you mine." Dude wake up, it will not change a thing. Gun's, knives, cars, screwdrivers, polaris drive shafts, pencils, pens, Mt Si High school (my old hometown) letterman jacket pins, gerbil habitrails, drugs, electrical cords, hands and casino cards there is something out there to kill anyone and your statement is reckless. When a stupid gangster wants to kill someone they will find a tool to do the trick. Violence is violence and ignorant criminals will find a tool and leaving my country, my family and my home defenseless, well lets just say thats not an option. Spend as much time as I do in a busy trauma center ER and you will see all bets are off.

 

[Super A]

Ask OJ how a gun ban would work.

Technically I think he used a knife, and then loaned it to Ray Lewis. Surprisingly neither we're convicted and knives are still legal.

A

 

[ruffryder]

how the hell do you figure that when the criminals will still have guns but the the law abiding "victems" won't? all taking guns away would do is take away our means of defence and therefore make it easier for the criminals to do what they do. i don't know about you but if i was a burglar i know i'd have a harder time deciding to go in someone's house when there's the thought in the back of my mind that this house may be armed vs. knowing that the worst that might happen is i may get an a$$ whooping.

you think outlawing guns will make them go away, just look how good its working for drugs.

I think eventually the number of guns in society would decrease. Maybe I don't understand where "illegal" guns come from.

While many people are right that if someone wants to kill another person that they will find a means to their end, there is also something to be said about the easiness of killing someone with a gun (in comparison to other methods), especially during crimes of passion and not premeditation.

Again, I am not for limiting gun ownership, but to say it wouldn't have an effect on gun violence I think is wrong.

I would be curious to know what percentage of all gun violence occurs with legal weapons?

Also, Cheney wouldn't be able to shoot his friends on hunting trips anymore.. lol

 

[milehighassassin]

Technically I think he used a knife, and then loaned it to Ray Lewis. Surprisingly neither we're convicted and knives are still legal.

A

That's my point. Gun ban wouldn't have stopper either.


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[duke1n]

You should change your name to MileHighAssHat! What do you think?

 

[milehighassassin]

Oh you're back. I missed you.


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[mtsummitx]

I would be curious to know what percentage of all gun violence occurs with legal weapons?

I would be willing to bet that the # of gun crimes committed by legally purchased guns is very small.

Gun control, and registration of guns is a load of cr@p! It's kinda like making CDL drivers with haz-mat endorsement submit their fingerprints.

Do you really think some crazy camel jockey that wants to blow up a building with a truckload of fertilizer and diesel fuel is gonna bother with getting a CDL with hazmat before he drives the truck to it's destination?? Same goes for gun control and registration. Do you really think someone with intent to do harm is going to bother purchassing the gun legally???? Maybe a few, that have clean records and just went crazy...but most, no.

 

[DOO DAWG]

I think eventually the number of guns in society would decrease. Maybe I don't understand where "illegal" guns come from.

While many people are right that if someone wants to kill another person that they will find a means to their end, there is also something to be said about the easiness of killing someone with a gun (in comparison to other methods), especially during crimes of passion and not premeditation.

Again, I am not for limiting gun ownership, but to say it wouldn't have an effect on gun violence I think is wrong.

I would be curious to know what percentage of all gun violence occurs with legal weapons?

Also, Cheney wouldn't be able to shoot his friends on hunting trips anymore.. lol

gun violence eh

Do ya'll expect a motor vehicle rant this week?.........BAN Bentlys!

 

[ruffryder]

I would be willing to bet that the # of gun crimes committed by legally purchased guns is very small.

How about instead of just betting, you actually take the time to research and figure it out for yourself?

Sounds like we need to get some facts into this discussion instead of just what we "feel" is the right thing. It seems the majority of people think gun violence is just gangsters or terrorists?

Here is some information..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

Sadley most deaths from guns are suicides...

This link has some stats, though it is a bible thumper page... interesting points on where the "illegal" guns come from.. from legal purchases that are no longer recorded..

http://www.heedinggodscall.org/content/pfctoolkit-10


Here is another link from the other side of the argument it seems..
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

Some statistics that I would be interested in finding out are the following:
1) How many of the homicides that were committed with firearms were premeditated? number and % of all homicides as well as fire arm homicides.
2) How many of the homicides that were committed with firearms used illegal guns? number and % of all homicides as well as fire arm homicides.

I think the information above would shed a lot of light on what we "think" or "bet" the solution is about.

 

[ruffryder]

gun violence eh

Do ya'll expect a motor vehicle rant this week?.........BAN Bentlys!

Didn't say banning guns was the correct solution, but I think it would be silly to state that if you banned all guns that homicides due to guns would not change at all, or would increase.

 

[ruffryder]

Banning guns is a bandaid to bigger problems.



Like banning mental illness will keep people from going crazy.

Or banning other countries from having nuclear weapons?

 

[DOO DAWG]

For THOSE that do!

 

[DOO DAWG]

http://www.facebook.com/groups/506522916035692/

http://www.facebook.com/groups/288297737939852/

 

[ruffryder]

Looks like internet arguing these days requires pictures with little oneliners? I guess that is how people chose how to vote too these days..

 

[mtsummitx]

How about instead of just betting, you actually take the time to research and figure it out for yourself?

I really don't need to research it ruffy, because in all honesty I couldn't give 2 sh!ts less how many gun crimes are committed with legal or illegal guns. Even if guns were outlawed, those that want them are gonna find a way to get them.

 

[ruffryder]

I really don't need to research it ruffy, because in all honesty I couldn't give 2 sh!ts less how many gun crimes are committed with legal or illegal guns. Even if guns were outlawed, those that want them are gonna find a way to get them.

I don't disagree at all. I guess the point is that IF most homicides (or sadly suicides) or done using legal firearms, or from firearms that were legal, then banning the guns would easily have an effect.

Where do all these "illegal" guns come from? Most come from legal means and the guns are just not reported by new owners. Or I guess they fall off of trucks..

Again, I don't think guns should be banned, based on freedoms and personal liberties, but that isn't the argument you guys are making. Most are saying it won't make a difference with the amount of homicides, which I don't believe is true. I think banning guns would reduce the homicide rate (how much is questionable).

Its funny how people forget with many things that they can be good and bad, but that isn't the question. The question is if the government should be the one to control / keep us from using them. I say for most things, no the govt shouldn't be in control. I see many correlations between the arguments here for keeping guns legal with similar arguments against legalizing drugs.. Anyone find that odd?

It isn't about the harm, it is about not having govt control. There are many things in this world that are bad for us.. like huffing gas. We don't do them because it is illegal, we don't do them because they are bad. We use our brains.. I think people need to a lot more these days.

I guess in the end I agree with conservatives on a lot of things... except when they strive against the libertarian perspective..

 

[mtsummitx]

I wasn't arguing anything, I was simply stating my opinion about more government intrusion into the personal lives of it's citizens, based on the question posed by you. This country was founded on minimal govt. control and intrusion on the rights and liberties of its citizens and it has strayed so far form those values it is ridiculous.

 

[trigger fish]

I think eventually the number of guns in society would decrease. Maybe I don't understand where "illegal" guns come from.

While many people are right that if someone wants to kill another person that they will find a means to their end, there is also something to be said about the easiness of killing someone with a gun (in comparison to other methods), especially during crimes of passion and not premeditation.

Again, I am not for limiting gun ownership, but to say it wouldn't have an effect on gun violence I think is wrong.

I would be curious to know what percentage of all gun violence occurs with legal weapons?

Also, Cheney wouldn't be able to shoot his friends on hunting trips anymore.. lol

Look you are correct!! it would mean less "gun violence" But it would NOT mean less violence.

There is only ONE thing that i know of that you can give an 80 year old that would stop a bully from taking from him/her and that is a gun.

Your plan to get rid of guns was implemented in the UK many years ago and yes the number of "gun violence" has decreased to the point were it almost never happens. But the amount of crimes has increased and the amount of suicide and murder has stayed the same.

People who want to kill are going to kill. The gun does make it easier. But taking the gun out of the equation has zero effect to the end result.

I for one would MUCH rather seeing more guns not less guns. Bullies are only bullies when they are bigger and stronger than you. if you have a gun then they are not a bully. With a gun you have nothing to fear.

 

[ruffryder]

I for one would MUCH rather seeing more guns not less guns. Bullies are only bullies when they are bigger and stronger than you. if you have a gun then they are not a bully. With a gun you have nothing to fear.

Except a bigger gun, more people with guns.. It can become a game of escalation.

 

[POLZIN]

If you interested in making a difference gun control is the bottom of the list