So I was thinkin, which can does a guy use wih the pipe mod, the stock 8 can or the new update can which seems to be a early 700 can?
Bikeman mod pipe
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We all pay for magazine subscriptions, so DYNOTECH is no different, and for the $25.00 a year, it's a LOT of info, test results going back several years are still there, Nitrous add ons, 400 h.p. + sleds, a lot of interesting reads.
Out of respect to Jim Czekala a.k.a. DYNOTECH Jim (pretty much a one man operation who makes his sole living off of the $25.00 annual subscriptons and occasional dyno work)
if I or anyone else did that, he wouldn't be in business much longer, and then we all lose a valuable source of information.
I'm sure you could understand that.
I would use the new can no matter what you are doing. For what it's worth my 600 Fuse did not like the slp can with the BMP mod. It ran much better with the stock can. The new D8 can reportedly flows better use it.
Well yes I did see dynotech. From what I remember of the session the new can only was used for the test. When the pipe mod came about I'm sure bikeman designed it for the tighter first gen d8 can not the new free'r flow can.
On the bold,
That's not what BMP said when he posted on H.C.S. and SnoWest a couple of months back.
LOL, well I guess thats the answer I'm lookin for Kraven. Actually when I just went back to check "Dynotech" the BMP pipe made more power with the original can and less with the new freer flowing can.
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We all pay for magazine subscriptions, so DYNOTECH is no different, and for the $25.00 a year, it's a LOT of info, test results going back several years are still there, Nitrous add ons, 400 h.p. + sleds, a lot of interesting reads.
Out of respect to Jim Czekala a.k.a. DYNOTECH Jim (pretty much a one man operation who makes his sole living off of the $25.00 annual subscriptons and occasional dyno work)
if I or anyone else did that, he wouldn't be in business much longer, and then we all lose a valuable source of information.
I'm sure you could understand that.
not all of us buy mag subscriptions.i buy snowest for the store it is faster to get it from any gas station then in the mail.(well here anyway). and if its not what i want i dont buy it, dynotech sounds like some good read. but i cant sit on the crapper and read it, i have 4 kids not any place better to read then the can..i dont think some guy giving out a few points they read on the site would stop anyone from signing up with dynotech more would want them to..just my 2 cents
The info is a lot more than just dyno graphs with squidilly lines and H.P. #'s
The $25.00 annual subscription opens up ALL of DYNOTECH's data for the last 20+ years, not just the current year going forward.
Where else can you purchase 20+ years of magazine subscriptions for $25.00?? If that ain't a deal, then tell me what is.
The summary reports and editorials that Jim writes are several pages long and with points and comments make it an interesting read. Even though I'll probably never get to own one, I like to read about 500+ h.p. (for real) sled motors in addition to the mod parts testing on sleds similar to my D7.
On the bold, you can easily download and easily print any and all of those articles for your reading pleasure, no need to bring the laptop into the bathroom with you.
On the underlined, you asked for a few points, here ya go, I was taught to never say anything bad about someone's product. Top Gun asked about the BMP pipe/mod.
No comment.
lolSpend the $25.00, it will save you a lot more, trust me.
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Kraven
I look at the various sites every few day's and your always involved bashing someone or some product.
look at your post for the last 3 months. I searched them. You like to bash everyone except Dynotech and the PC111 oh and the Sean Ray Head mod. We all know your opinion, your entitled to it! Just stop bashing everyone else that you don't like. If it's not a BMP pipe mod it's a SLP head or always something. It does not contribute to any of the post or help anyone but yourself feel good. You always go back to Dyno Tech says this. Guess what, it's a good tool but not the holy grail, you do not ride the dyno or set your sled up to ride the same way as it runs on a dyno. That is why a true performance shop like Carls,SLP,BMP test there stuff on snow, not just on the dyno before releasing to the public.
I look at the various sites every few day's and your always involved bashing someone or some product.
look at your post for the last 3 months. I searched them. You like to bash everyone except Dynotech and the PC111 oh and the Sean Ray Head mod. We all know your opinion, your entitled to it! Just stop bashing everyone else that you don't like. If it's not a BMP pipe mod it's a SLP head or always something. It does not contribute to any of the post or help anyone but yourself feel good. You always go back to Dyno Tech says this. Guess what, it's a good tool but not the holy grail, you do not ride the dyno or set your sled up to ride the same way as it runs on a dyno. That is why a true performance shop like Carls,SLP,BMP test there stuff on snow, not just on the dyno before releasing to the public.
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S.T.D.,
1) Didn't bash anyone in the above post/thread. Regrding following my posts in the last several monts, you're not one of those "snowmobile stalkers" are you??
2) NEVER bashed SLP heads, as I've purchased 5 or more SLP heads for my sleds in the last 10 years, plus recommend them and have installed several more SLP heads and countless SLP products on mine and my bud's sleds. Less than 2 years ago, my bud purchased a BMP head for his 2007 600 S/B @ my suggestion, and I posted that positve info on forums several times.
3) I thought these forums existed for the purpose of SHARING information, so that the info could HELP others from possibly making the same mistake. After that it's up to the consumer make an informed decision based on the facts, not some squiddly dyno graph with h.p. ?? numbers hand scribbled on top.
4) I'm "pro" whatever works, and "anti" what doesn't, when you have one aftermarket guy claiming 22 h.p. and advertising that, and going on further to say that the NEW replacement 800 cylinder heads are "anti-h.p." heads, the a D.T.R. provides factual info to the contrary, what does that tell you? Do you honestly believe that's truth in advertising????And BMP FIRMLY stated Sean Ray does not have heads for the 800's. More truth in advertising???
5) If a two man shop such as Sean Ray (or any other company for that matter) offers a product that out performs a much larger competitor's product are you suggesting that we ignore that, not bring it to anyone's attention, continue to be like sheep and buy the shiny new product at 4 times the price???
6) Agree with you 100% on real world testing regarding Carl's, SLP. When I offered to test BMP's pipe at their facility on the snow in real world conditions, Mike responded with "We have lot's of happy customers, we know our product works".
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shabs
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ya i'll agree with you, some manufacturers are shady sometimes and they def shouldnt advertising product gains that they got from the first 800cfi motor back in 2008 when its totally i different motor now, and i wonder where SLP found a 154 horse 800 motor, are these companies not updating there advertising on purpose for sales? if a guy didnt check out forums and magazines they would have no idea of the truth haha. You hear good and bad about all companies so it just comes down to personal preference i think, and would be nice to just see that on here alone instead of guys being so brand loyal and bashing products that your buddys buddy didnt like a product 6 years ago. I went with slp cause of dtr and guys on the forums thinking highly of it, not cause of there website. I wasnt going to buy a $600 pipe system from the only company that actually got 154 horse seemed odd to me. To me the pipe mod would be a mid road pipe solution for guys that want the stock apperance with a little more jam and for what it actually makes for power its not bad for the 200 whatever bucks it is. If thats what your looking for topgun give er man.
and for what it actually makes for power its not bad for the 200 whatever bucks it is. If thats what your looking for topgun give er man.S.T.D.,
1) Didn't bash anyone in the above post/thread. Regrding following my posts in the last several monts, you're not one of those "snowmobile stalkers" are you??
2) NEVER bashed SLP heads, as I've purchased 5 or more SLP heads for my sleds in the last 10 years, plus recommend them and have installed several more SLP heads and countless SLP products on mine and my bud's sleds. Less than 2 years ago, my bud purchased a BMP head for his 2007 600 S/B @ my suggestion, and I posted that positve info on forums several times.
3) I thought these forums existed for the purpose of SHARING information, so that the info could HELP others from possibly making the same mistake. After that it's up to the consumer make an informed decision based on the facts, not some squiddly dyno graph with h.p. ?? numbers hand scribbled on top.
4) I'm "pro" whatever works, and "anti" what doesn't, when you have one aftermarket guy claiming 22 h.p. and advertising that, and going on further to say that the NEW replacement 800 cylinder heads are "anti-h.p." heads, the a D.T.R. provides factual info to the contrary, what does that tell you? Do you honestly believe that's truth in advertising????And BMP FIRMLY stated Sean Ray does not have heads for the 800's. More truth in advertising???
5) If a two man shop such as Sean Ray (or any other company for that matter) offers a product that out performs a much larger competitor's product are you suggesting that we ignore that, not bring it to anyone's attention, continue to be like sheep and buy the shiny new product at 4 times the price???
6) Agree with you 100% on real world testing regarding Carl's, SLP. When I offered to test BMP's pipe at their facility on the snow in real world conditions, Mike responded with "We have lot's of happy customers, we know our product works".
Buddy I'll start at #1 you never bashed anyone look at the bottom of your post. I'd say it's a slam on BMP, Wouldn't follow a internet jockey like you ever.
#2 You posted several times SLP heads are a waste of money the Sean Ray mod is just as good or better and Cheaper.
#3 give the facts then not your opinion
#4 again all your doing is pissin and moning about Mike at BMP who is a newcomer to BMP I'm assuming as there was no Mike that worked there last year. Oh and telling us how great this Sean is.
#5 I nor did anyone else say your God Sean Ray's head does not work, you told us all it's the best on earth. Did it perform better than the SLP on the Dyno? doubt it. Did they test it in the real world like SLP, Carls, BMP don't know. Once again tell the facts not opinion. What if I want interchangable domes, is the SLP still a overpriced and underperformaning head? Great he makes a affordable option and it seems to work just tell the facts don't bash other stuff. I don't tell you for the money I'll bet on the Carls head mod because I say it''s the best.
#6 Real world tests are the only thing that matters period. I'll put my Carl's built 800 against whatever kind of dyno built machine you got anyday!!! I offered the same option last year to Erich (the owner by the way of BMP) I'll bring my SLP piped 09 800 machine down and test against my other 09 800 in your field then lets put on your pipe and run again. Guess what, The BMP piped sled beat my SLP piped sled by 3-4 sleds after I added 4 grams of weight to the clutches. That is real life testing last year. Now this year is a different animal I know but guess what I bought two BMP pipes that day because they worked better than my SLP in the real world maybe not on the dyno but real world!!!!!! Have you ever truely tested this magical head you brag about? Who knows maybe this year the SLP's pipe will work better time will tell but I have never bashed SLP and said there pipe sucks and a small company builds a better pipe than a large company like SLP.That's the way you handle things on the net you would say how bad it sucks and is overpriced.
#7 I can't wait for Snowest to start charging so people like you will not pay to pick fights and shoot there yap on how great they are and everything they believe is what everone else should believe. I'm done some people just will never understand and I hate to litter the posts anymore with this stupid crap you entice people into.
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1) I never bashed SLP, ever.
2) If the BMP pipe out-performed the SLP set-up, I'd bet you were running too fat on fuel w/SLP set-up to begin with.
3) I never voted in my entire life, ALL politicians are scumbags! I.M.H.O.
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Umm yeah
Bikeman seems to be coming on the scene a little more these days. I think the mod was working good with last years silencers. I'm sure they have been testing with aftermarket and the new stuff as well to make sure it works with all the update stuff.
Bikeman seems to be coming on the scene a little more these days. I think the mod was working good with last years silencers. I'm sure they have been testing with aftermarket and the new stuff as well to make sure it works with all the update stuff.
Hey Kraven,
I'm still convinced you get a cut of Dynotech's subscriptions.
I'm still convinced you get a cut of Dynotech's subscriptions.
Wow, what a thread. Thats the trouble with the keyboard, everybody has there own interpretation of someone elses words. I haven't kept up with all the Dragon hype since I've been away from Polaris a couple years with my turbo Nytro, but I can see Kraven that you seem to be dedicated to help others get this 8 goin. I see you have a lot of mods listed to help the average guy get them competitive, just wanna give you a thumbs up, but in the end people have to make their own choices on product .......good for friendly competition
I've been getting dynotech since it came in paper form but without a doubt it still all comes down to what works in the field .After twenty years of snow, ice and grass racing I've found that out.
I've been getting dynotech since it came in paper form but without a doubt it still all comes down to what works in the field .After twenty years of snow, ice and grass racing I've found that out.
Wow, what a thread. Thats the trouble with the keyboard, everybody has there own interpretation of someone elses words. I haven't kept up with all the Dragon hype since I've been away from Polaris a couple years with my turbo Nytro, but I can see Kraven that you seem to be dedicated to help others get this 8 goin. I see you have a lot of mods listed to help the average guy get them competitive, just wanna give you a thumbs up, but in the end people have to make their own choices on product .......good for friendly competition
I've been getting dynotech since it came in paper form but without a doubt it still all comes down to what works in the field .After twenty years of snow, ice and grass racing I've found that out.
Top Gun,
Agree with everything you said, I would ask you to just consider the following.
Put the dyno test results aside for a moment. Let's talk about real world testing. And I agree that if we were racing dynos yours would win kinda deal.
I've built several 9 and 10 second 1/4 mile drag cars back in the early 80's. If anyone knows about what works in the real world, it's me. I bought into a lot of hype in my younger days just to see the elapsed time on the 1/4 mile clocks tell the REAL story. The winningest car/driver in NHRA Pro Stock history is Bob Glidden. When they interviewed him they asked him where his dyno was and he pointed to the race car in the trailer, point being the ONLY thing that matters is what got the car down the track quicker. AGREED!
The majority of the gain from bolting a pipe on a CFI has been attributed to the aftermarket pipe leaning out an existing rich running sled. It's not so much the pipe itself as it is getting the A/F set-up dialed in. That's where the real world testing sometimes gets flawed.
Now unless you're monitoring all that data out there in the real world testing, as in having a $3100.00 Motec electonic control unit or A/F and datalogger on the sled as you're doing real world testing, how do you know the real facts are was it the pipe that made it quicker that my bud's or was it running a little rich before and now it's spot-on.
Now think about this guy^^^^^^^^^, there's a modded D8 with SLP pipe set-up by Struther's shop which has gotta be one of theee most well respected shops out there with 35 + years in business, successful multiple modded sleds/kits/combos sold over the years and always positive feedback about Carl's. I don't think you'll find many shops with more "REAL WORLD " experience that the Carl's Cycle team has.
Now, some guy comes along and says BMP made him even faster???? lol
Whose pipe(s) does Struthers sell/recommend and why??
Who do trust more with real world testing, Jack Struthers or the other guy??
Combine that with DYNOTECH showing SLP's pipe having significant h.p. advantage over the competition and a 10 foot pounds of TORQUE advantage over the competitor combined with the H.P. was over a very broad 400-500 r.p.m. band, very forgiving in real world conditions, making it easier to clutch, less likely for the motor to "fall off the pipe" in real world conditions, again.
Now, there's the real facts, now you can make your own decision.
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Hey Kraven,
I'm still convinced you get a cut of Dynotech's subscriptions.
Alright, you busted me!
I'll cut you in, but you can't tell anyone.
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