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Big Iron chute out avy

You are correct WB. They were not having the "official" climbs there till sun.

Bottom line is anyone there was responsible for THEMSELFS.... If the event was cancelled on thurs or fri I can bet most of those people still would have been up there that day.

Bottom line: if the event had been canceled due to high avy danger those people would not be dead. That is the fact of the matter, whether you can stand it or not.

This just is not true.They were not even taking part in the events that day.They were there on thier own.

They did not pay heed to the many extreme avy warnings posted throughout the week and paid the price for it. Sad to say but it's true.
 
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interesting defense.
When have you ever been to Turbo hill/bowl with 200+ spectators and all the same High HP sleds that are planning to run when there isnt an event weekend?

Here is the poster for the shootout. They advertise very clearly the dates at the top as the 12,13,14th with that in mind wether it was the "main event" it was still the promoters event dates.

Even the people that were there say they were at the "event" along with the promoter "ozone"
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2226237
The post that reads that it is the spectators that you need to be worried about..WTF did that mean? The chutes are safe as they fix themselves? WTF...just dont be on one of the in-between the fixing days..that was a dumb AS_S statement if I ever heard one....I am surprised he didnt say that snowmobile tracked slopes make it safer. How many have heard that before? Realy though I think the focus needs to be on the families of those that were killed and the people that have injuries, not on defendign a promoter. The Canadian authorities will handle the chastizing of any promoter for negligence if there was any I would assume. Negligence doesnt just pertain to "sanctioned" events.



http://www.cbc.ca/video/player.html?category=News&clipid=1441583633

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Av...nowmobile+event+went+ahead/2684785/story.html

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My only point is that IF the "event" was cancelled on thurs or fri one can assume MOST of the people who came into town for the event would not have just packed up and left. They still would have been up there.

MANY people CHOSE not to be up there that weekend because of the extreme avy danger.

I feel we were VERY lucky it was not a normal year for the BIS.Normally there would have been over 1000 people sitting at that hill.

Bottom line is when riding in the backcountry you are responsible for yourself,nobody else is.

I hate to say it but I for one hope this is the end of BIS type events.They do nothing but give the sport we all love a black eye in the publics view.
 
My only point is that IF the "event" was cancelled on thurs or fri one can assume MOST of the people who came into town for the event would not have just packed up and left. They still would have been up there.

MANY people CHOSE not to be up there that weekend because of the extreme avy danger.

I feel we were VERY lucky it was not a normal year for the BIS.Normally there would have been over 1000 people sitting at that hill.


Bottom line is when riding in the backcountry you are responsible for yourself,nobody else is.

I hate to say it but I for one hope this is the end of BIS type events.They do nothing but give the sport we all love a black eye in the publics view.
Thanks AA/AT for clearing that up...point made...anytime there is a real late cancelation those from out of town, most likely may not (or may) have canceled there plans.

I did that (Failed to cancel) one year after a huricane went thru the Florida/carribean area...was on a frickin cruise ship against my better judgement (the misses won that argument) with an awesome all you can eat breakfast that i took advantage of. A week after the huricane there are many "slow rollers" that roll the ship sideways back and forth for 8 hours! I had motion sickness meds(smart) ahead of time...the lines to the bathroom were huge. I spent the time on the bow shivering until I reached the Bahamas and it amoothed out and got warm...the Bahama Mama's with xtra rum fixed it all. I never got real sick but was about to...moral of the long winded story is that I flew back out of pocket and was back at a hotel in Florida within 20minutes!
 
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Conrad (chicken) i dont think s and s knows anything about your background.

Hey Al,
Yeah maybe not. But thats ok. I wasn't trying to get everyone worked up but rather just trying to make the point that is being made over and over that everyone should be responsible for themselves.

Anyway how has your season been? I have had some bad luck this year. Siezed Dad's sled up twice and now I lost a rod bearing. But thats sleddin. On the 28th we are having a bbq, you should come up. Especially if it is a nice day.
 
My only point is that IF the "event" was cancelled on thurs or fri one can assume MOST of the people who came into town for the event would not have just packed up and left. They still would have been up there.

One can "assume" anything one wants to assume. Personally, I believe that individuals act a lot more responsibly than large crowds (even though the crowds are made up of those same individuals). I believe that if the event was canceled due to extremely high avy danger, a lot of people would have got the message and had more respect for the dangerous conditions. I believe that organized events like this with large crowds cause many to have a false sense of security/safety.

If the event had been canceled, most of the same riders might have still been on that hill, and the avy might still have happened, but I seriously doubt if there would have been such a large crowd of spectators at the bottom. I'm guessing that a lot of the spectators didn't have any idea of the risk they were taking by being where they were. The riders that caused the slide should have been aware, and acted very irresponsibly IMO.
 
I totally agree with Skis-n-skid. Anyone with the basic knowledge of riding and the risks, and a bit of common sense would make a point even of letting spectators, inexperienced or not,know about the risks where they were. But again, there are still some riders with huge attitudes and don't give a damn about anyone else but themselves either.Not saying these guys were like that,but seen it in Blue River this week-end as well.Also in Valemount yesterday, signs posted about avalanches and dangers on specific spots, yet a__holes shooting right up there.People weren't watching them as good riders, but more like shaking their heads in disbelief as to how much of a brain dead tool you really are, then think you feel obligated to run dig the guy out, putting your neck at risk as well, for their sake?People need to take a notch out of their belt a bit and be a hero somewhere else and leave the attitude at home (better yet, just stay home period).Knowbody can be finger pointing, as it is all a sad thing all around.I just wish people could lighten up, and be on the same level is all.See a guy in trouble, give him a hand, and a favor returned is probably down the road is all.Someone gives you advice on a riding area, whatever, don't get an attitude, maybe the guy has a point and leave it at that.
 
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Thank God I had sled problems and my brother and I decided not to go last minute, sure it saved our lives. RIP to the guys that werent so lucky.
 
best news story yet!!!

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Avalanche+survivors+should+considered+heroes/2691719/story.html



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http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...719/story.html

Avalanche survivors should be considered heroes

Without quick, educated response of snowmobilers, more might have died

By Susie Rainsberry, FreelanceMarch 17, 2010

It's been several days now since the tragic avalanche at Turbo Hill near Revelstoke, B.C. The latest reports are that two are dead and three are still hospitalized. The media is also reporting that there were 200 snowmobilers at Turbo at the time of the slide. The avalanche is reported to have been up to 150 metres wide and 10 metres deep. That, my friends, is a big avalanche!

I'd like to put some perspective on this -- a snowmobiler's perspective. Apparently no one in the media is a snowmobiler or is concerned about taking the time to gather the facts -- not just the bad, but the good as well. And there is good to be heard in this story. If you ask a snowmobiler -- they'd be able to tell you what that is. But either the media isn't asking, or has heard it and doesn't feel that the facts are newsworthy.

However, I feel these facts are the most newsworthy topic of this entire tragedy.

Saturday afternoon, following the close of the events for the annual Big Iron Shootout, a large group of snowmobilers headed to Turbo Bowl to make a run at the hill. As the riders lined up at the bottom of the hill, the mass of spectators parked their sleds and prepared to enjoy the show. As one of the sleds turned out toward the top, the hillside gave way. Thundering down the mountain it came -- taking sleds and riders with it. This powerful act of nature happens in a split second. There is no time to react.

The time to react is as soon as it stops. And react -- with speed and knowledge -- in the midst of chaos -- is what those sledders did. There were no typical first responders to this catastrophe in the immediate moments following the avalanche. Only snowmobilers. Those same snowmobilers that the media is painting with a broad stroke as crazy, ignorant, thrill-seekers.

As a backcountry snowmobiler myself, I can tell you that ignorant is not a word that I would use to describe those survivors. I would call them heroes! And justly so. In the midst of what may have been the most terrifying minutes of their lives, they turned their avalanche beacons to search, they got out their probes and their shovels and they started rescue protocols immediately -- likely while in a state of shock. They dug out those that were buried, they triaged the injured, they administered first aid, they built fires to keep them warm until the helicopters arrived. These people were heroic! Without their quick and educated responses, many more people would have died.

I am angered that the media is so eager to report this story that they are being so disgraceful to the victims and survivors. These people need support and compassion. They do not need to be stereotyped and degraded in the media or by anyone else.

While the media gleefully report that this is an unsanctioned (I'll get to that in a moment) event that drew 200 sledders (despite the grave warnings from the avalanche centre), what they aren't telling you is that there are likely double that number of snowmobilers who didn't attend this year's event because of the conditions -- snowmobilers who did heed the warnings.

As I was reading the snowmobiling forums and Facebook on Saturday evening, the same story continued to repeat itself -- people concerned about friends who generally attend the Big Iron Shootout, those friends checking in and saying they didn't go this year, or they were in the area but avoided Turbo Bowl because of the warnings and the conditions they were already aware of. You see, backcountry snowmobilers are often in the backcountry two or more days a week and already have first-hand insight to the conditions.

Regarding the word being used in almost every story -- unsanctioned. It is true that there is no sanctioning organization for this event, not the town of Revelstoke nor the Revelstoke Snowmobile Club. However, just because it's not sanctioned does not mean that it is illegal.

It is with great sadness that I have to dispel the myth that mountain snowmobilers are a bunch of red-necks. All you really need to do is add up the costs to outfit an individual -- much less an entire family -- with a sled and the proper safety gear. Since this article is really targeted at those individuals who are not mountain sledders, I will point out that everything on your person and on your sled is part and parcel of your survival gear. From your gloves, to your coat, to the sunglasses in your backpack. Trying to save a dime in buying a coat is really not advised, when that coat may be the only thing protecting you from the elements if you have to stay overnight.

It would be greatly appreciated if the media would stop perpetuating the myths that sledders are ignorant, beer-swilling, couch potatoes because it's simply not true.

The fact is that mountain sledders do not fit a stereotypical mould. They come from all areas of the business world ... from CEOs to millworkers ...

The thing that binds us together is our great love for the backcountry in the winter. We are modern-day adventurers. We want to get out there -- in the mountains. We want to explore and play and wonder at the beauty. We love the snow when it covers the trees, when it flies up in our faces, when it gives us a playground of vast proportions. That is when we are in heaven. That is when our souls glow.

We are not anything that the media will have tried to make us out to be in the last couple of days. We are so much more. It's truly a pity that the media isn't interested in shining any light on the truth.

The truth is -- the Turbo Bowl survivors are heroes. We in the snowmobiling communities -- far and wide -- are praying for the full recovery of those injured, in body and in spirit. And finally, with great compassion and sympathy we extend our heartfelt condolences to the families of those who perished.

Susie Rainsberry, of Creswell, Ore. , is a backcountry snowmobiler.

© Copyright (c) The Edmonton Journal
 
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