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Belt Blowing Solution

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Evolution Powersports

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After 3 weeks of testing with stock clutch components, stock belts, aftermarket belts, aftermarket clutches using heat guns, go pro video cameras, data logging hundreds of miles and countless hours in different terrain, we have a good comprehension of what is happening with the belts and clutches and why the belt life can be so poor on certain sleds and better on others. Without going into ridiculous detail here, assuming you have a sled with the correct offset, C to C and belt length & width, some sleds will still blow belts with far too few miles. One basic item we found is on sleds with the correct clutch specs, some will blow belts because they do not have all of the bolts in the hood – especially the ones in the shock tower area. Without these bolts secured, snow will get into the clutch area and cause the belt to slip – this is a fact. On the 2013 models, AC added an additional thumb screw to further close the gap in the body panels to reduce snow from getting inside the clutch area.

The rest of the sleds that have the hood assembled properly and have the correct clutch specs and have the primary weights & spring correct for the hp & rpm level and the secondary setup for proper upshift and backshift and still blow belts – this is what we have found: There are three primary causes for the shortened belt life:

1) The secondary clutch, for various reasons will lose grip of the belt upon upshift and allow it to be sucked to the bottom of the clutch which immediately destroys the belt. This is more pronounced with belts on the shorter side of spec
2) The secondary clutch will momentarily pause the shift which will create a wave in the belt which under certain conditions causes the belt to snap when it grabs again
3) There is a tremendous amount of heat generated from belt slippage in the secondary which will degrade the belt and cause it to explode with relatively little use.

There are other reasons for shortened belt life which will not be addressed here – this is for clutches that are set up properly.
The solution we have tested and have proven works on the sleds described above is a two part solution:

1) Replace the secondary clutch with a Team Secondary Clutch spec’d by EVOPS & Racin Station
2) Replace the belt with custom EVOPS/Gates carbon belt
The Team clutch is most of the solution – belt life is SUBSTANTIALLY better with our clutch setup and specified weights / spring combination. The EVOPS/Gates belt completes the package

The Team clutch will be available in approximately 2 weeks. The complete Team secondary cost with helix & spring is $429

The belts will be available late this season and will cost far less than the 082 stock belt. Exact price TBD.

Again, this solution is not the cure all for poor clutching or sloppy setup – This is a proven combination of many different components that when used together with the correct weights, spring and properly setup, this kit will reduce belt heat, eliminate belt back lash and maintain consistent belt tension.
 
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Jim-
Let me know when this is avaiable- I will run it on one of our sleds here with belts issues- and the others like the piped piper will follow:gossip:
Thanks
S/C
White Mountain Performance llc
Rockies west
 
Couple of more questions:

Will this setup use a team floater plug?
Will the team offset bar work with this setup?
 
type_a_positive said:
Couple of more questions:

Will this setup use a team floater plug?
Will the team offset bar work with this setup?




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plumberdood said:
Quote:

Originally Posted by type_a_positive

Couple of more questions:

Will this setup use a team floater plug?
Will the team offset bar work with this setup?

Is this set up the Team Tied or the old Team ?


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cant wait

I should have this set up on my sled for this weekend, cant wait, my 13 big chute killed 3 belts in a 100 miles.. big thanks to jim (evo) and erick (racing station).. will post how it works.. julio
 
Jim, In your testing did you observe any misalignment / twisting of the primary and the secondary under heavy loading?
 
After 3 weeks of testing with stock clutch components, stock belts, aftermarket belts, aftermarket clutches using heat guns, go pro video cameras, data logging hundreds of miles and countless hours in different terrain, we have a good comprehension of what is happening with the belts and clutches and why the belt life can be so poor on certain sleds and better on others. Without going into ridiculous detail here, assuming you have a sled with the correct offset, C to C and belt length & width, some sleds will still blow belts with far too few miles. One basic item we found is on sleds with the correct clutch specs, some will blow belts because they do not have all of the bolts in the hood – especially the ones in the shock tower area. Without these bolts secured, snow will get into the clutch area and cause the belt to slip – this is a fact. On the 2013 models, AC added an additional thumb screw to further close the gap in the body panels to reduce snow from getting inside the clutch area.

The rest of the sleds that have the hood assembled properly and have the correct clutch specs and have the primary weights & spring correct for the hp & rpm level and the secondary setup for proper upshift and backshift and still blow belts – this is what we have found: There are three primary causes for the shortened belt life:

1) The secondary clutch, for various reasons will lose grip of the belt upon upshift and allow it to be sucked to the bottom of the clutch which immediately destroys the belt. This is more pronounced with belts on the shorter side of spec
2) The secondary clutch will momentarily pause the shift which will create a wave in the belt which under certain conditions causes the belt to snap when it grabs again
3) There is a tremendous amount of heat generated from belt slippage in the secondary which will degrade the belt and cause it to explode with relatively little use.


There are other reasons for shortened belt life which will not be addressed here – this is for clutches that are set up properly.
The solution we have tested and have proven works on the sleds described above is a two part solution:

1) Replace the secondary clutch with a Team Secondary Clutch spec’d by EVOPS & Racin Station
2) Replace the belt with custom EVOPS/Gates carbon belt
The Team clutch is most of the solution – belt life is SUBSTANTIALLY better with our clutch setup and specified weights / spring combination. The EVOPS/Gates belt completes the package

The Team clutch will be available in approximately 2 weeks. The complete Team secondary cost with helix & spring is $429

The belts will be available late this season and will cost far less than the 082 stock belt. Exact price TBD.

Again, this solution is not the cure all for poor clutching or sloppy setup – This is a proven combination of many different components that when used together with the correct weights, spring and properly setup, this kit will reduce belt heat, eliminate belt back lash and maintain consistent belt tension.

Yup...had that figured out after the first belt blew. What surprises me is the many naysayers that don't believe the belt can suck into the secondary.

Just a heads up that Cat is very aware there is a secondary issue. I have it on authority right from Cat that they are working on a solution. I know some clutching changes can lessen the potential and most certainly I thinkk the belt specs are crap.
 
I should have this set up on my sled for this weekend, cant wait, my 13 big chute killed 3 belts in a 100 miles.. big thanks to jim (evo) and erick (racing station).. will post how it works.. julio

.....hopefully everything goes good. If you guys have any issues this weekend I'm sure someone with a stereo sled can keep you company:face-icon-small-win
 
I have a 2012 1100 turbo and am on my 10th belt of the season in 700km, last ride was with team tied secondary clutch with 58-62-36 helix black white spring (stock primary). the ride was 93 km that day and was on the 4th belt to get to the truck. (i pack a good 4 spares for every ride with these machines). if snow is heavy and you actually ride the machine belt life averages 30 km. If snow is hard (spring conditions) belt life seems okay. The sled has been checked over by cat multiple times (two different dealers) and clutch alignment is bang on with both stock and team tied secondary set ups. team wont answer their phone anymore cause they say they cant get the belt temps and life to where they want it. team has moved on like everyone else should..
 
If u are struggling in fresh , makes me wonder if your clutch side panel/ shock tower is sealed up properly. The Louvered clutch cover doesn't help either! Spring snow should put more strain on things, not less.
 
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