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Battle of the sub 5k pump gas turbo setups - Who wins?

Blk88GT

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I'm still thinking about a pump gas, pull the cord and go setup. It would need to be usable at 700ft as well as 11k.

I'm not interested in hauling avgas, race fuel etc.

Any suggestions? Anyone looking for mechanically skilled product tester? ;)
 
I'm still thinking about a pump gas, pull the cord and go setup. It would need to be usable at 700ft as well as 11k.

I'm not interested in hauling avgas, race fuel etc.

Any suggestions? Anyone looking for mechanically skilled product tester? ;)

boost-it is working on a kit for next year should come in at about 5000$ can & they can set you up to run whatever elevation you want.you can call them at the shop for info or i will start a thread once they have them ready to go.
 
I'm still thinking about a pump gas, pull the cord and go setup. It would need to be usable at 700ft as well as 11k.

A pull and go animal doesn't exist. At the moment you cannot ride at 700ft and then go to 11,000ft without adjusting fuelling and clutching. Well, you probably can but yer sled is gonna run like poo, if at all.

People will tell you its possible but they will be flat out lying to ya.
There is no pull and go turbo. Period.
A turbo needs proper care and maintenance. It must be checked over for boost and fuel leaks, clutches need to be setup for you and how you ride, and the fuelling needs to adjusted depending on where you ride. These things are just the tip of the iceberg with turbos.

Take a cruise over to the classifieds and see how many low mile used turbos and used turbo sleds are for sale. They are not for sale because they ran flawless and are truly pull and go. If they were so great, they wouldn't be for sale. They are for sale because they ran like crap and the owners couldn't figure out how to get them to run properly. Gotta love the ones that say "ran flawless and has a brand new motor."

If you are prepared to wrench and maintain, learn and enjoy doing just that, get a turbo. If not, stay stock.
Cheers!
 
I get the clutching and would expect to change things, no issues there. But is fueling still an issue when changing elevation?

I wouldn't think it should be.... maybe it's wishful thinking.
 
On my Etec kit once the fueling is set right I normally don't adjust it. This is riding from 8k to 10k. I am running a Attitude Industries fuel control box.
 
Yea, crappy but true. Fueling will have to be tuned with as you go to different areas. They differ in temp, humidity, barometric pressure, etc so the fueling has to be adjusted.
The clutching, fueling go hand in hand together and they have to be tuned together. If one is off just a bit, then the other won't perform as it should and you will get sadness on the hill.
For example, if you have a clutch system that only pulls 7500 rpm on a big expensive 12 hr drive sled trip in a new area you have never been to, you have to spend the day clutching to get the clutches to work for the area and type of riding you. Even if your fueling doesn't have to be tuned, you must work on your clutch. To get the sled running close, not even perfect, you need about 10 lbs of tools, springs, weights and room on your sled. You never know what you need so you have pack every little trinket that you might need.
Throw in the tuning of your fueling but you can't get the fueling correct because the clutching won't allow you rev, you now have 2 issues to deal with. Some people have no clue about either of these things so they are dead in the water, really depressed because their stock sled buddies are having so much fun exploring the new area while turbo tommy sits on the packed trail cuz he has the turbo blahs and gets stuck when he goes off the trail. The turbo company can't help you because they may not have ridden the area where you are so they don't know where to start. Clutching or fueling wise. The local dealer can't help because he didnt install the turbo and doesn't know the components. Add the fact that he is either sledding or so slammed repairing sleds that he doesn't have time to help someone tune over the phone for free.
Add in that each sled weighs different, the riders weight is different, the air is different each day, snow is different and you are really on your own.
It can be done if you wanna dedicate the time to learning how the systems work together and it's really not that hard. Tons of info here on the forums. There are guys that have turbos that work but they have spent the time to tune.
Ya, guys will tell you, "I'm pull and go, pump gas all day long." just like powerfuldodge on this thread, he says he has never had detonation. Then u watch his video and he dets twice in three minutes. He either didn't know what det is, or he is in denial. If he keeps riding a detonating sled, he is due for a new motor and turbo as the ringland will break off, go through the motor, through the turbo and hello another 5 grand. Then, you see the turbo system or sled on the classifieds.
I'm not trying to be Debbbie downer for you but I'm just laying it out for you so you can make your own decision as to what turbo ownership is like. Myself, I like wrenching, thinking and making things work well so not a problem.
People downplay things by saying things like "runs flawless except for a small stumble", "I'm 90% there," "just a bit of tuning left to do," "one small issue to take care of," "the dealer just has to take care a small issue for me," etc. These types are in denial. The sled isn't working the way it should be. That "small tuning issue" is a major pain when it cause you to get stuck at the worst time. It ruins trips. It ruins your fun. Especially if you Paid 7-10k for turbo system.
If you go into a turbo system eyes wide open and you know what's in store for you, then it can be fun and you can have a turbo that will work. As a matter of fact, I'm going to my shop rt now to do some work on my turbo sled.
Cheers!
 
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Kanedog hit the nail on the head. I was one of those people that bought into the pull and go talk and runs flawless. I should've known better cause I've never had a stock sled that was pull and go everyday. Always gonna get a hiccup or stumble at some point in the dayor have to change clickers through out the day from changing temps and snow conditions. From the meager 100 miles I've put on my aerocharger so far this year it hasn't been flawless but it has ran good. I'm still setting it up for what I want exactly but from what I've experienced is that throughout the day I do need to make minor fueling and clicker changes to keep me at 8000-8200 rpm if I let it fall in that 7700-7800 range it's lacking. Not lacking to the point of not running good or having a stocker come anywhere close to me on the hill but Its noticeable seat of the pants difference. So in a sense it's pull and go and I could say I don't have to change anything through the day and still have a strong sled but I'm picky and good isnt good enough for me so I do need to mess with fueling and clickers but super easy to do. Had my stock etech a stock pro a snowbike a boondocker pro and my aerocharger on mtn on Friday and not one machine ran flawless all day all had some sort of minor hiccup or stumble of some sort as temps and snow changed. For me I like having the option of running more boost with some race gas mixed in. The perma grin is worth the extra headache of mixing fuel and extra cost. It's a blast when it all falls into place
 
Yea, crappy but true. Fueling will have to be tuned with as you go to different areas. They differ in temp, humidity, barometric pressure, etc so the fueling has to be adjusted.
The clutching, fueling go hand in hand together and they have to be tuned together. If one is off just a bit, then the other won't perform as it should and you will get sadness on the hill.
For example, if you have a clutch system that only pulls 7500 rpm on a big expensive 12 hr drive sled trip in a new area you have never been to, you have to spend the day clutching to get the clutches to work for the area and type of riding you. Even if your fueling doesn't have to be tuned, you must work on your clutch. To get the sled running close, not even perfect, you need about 10 lbs of tools, springs, weights and room on your sled. You never know what you need so you have pack every little trinket that you might need.
Throw in the tuning of your fueling but you can't get the fueling correct because the clutching won't allow you rev, you now have 2 issues to deal with. Some people have no clue about either of these things so they are dead in the water, really depressed because their stock sled buddies are having so much fun exploring the new area while turbo tommy sits on the packed trail cuz he has the turbo blahs and gets stuck when he goes off the trail. The turbo company can't help you because they may not have ridden the area where you are so they don't know where to start. Clutching or fueling wise. The local dealer can't help because he didnt install the turbo and doesn't know the components. Add the fact that he is either sledding or so slammed repairing sleds that he doesn't have time to help someone tune over the phone for free.
Add in that each sled weighs different, the riders weight is different, the air is different each day, snow is different and you are really on your own.
It can be done if you wanna dedicate the time to learning how the systems work together and it's really not that hard. Tons of info here on the forums. There are guys that have turbos that work but they have spent the time to tune.
Ya, guys will tell you, "I'm pull and go, pump gas all day long." just like powerfuldodge on this thread, he says he has never had detonation. Then u watch his video and he dets twice in three minutes. He either didn't know what det is, or he is in denial. If he keeps riding a detonating sled, he is due for a new motor and turbo as the ringland will break off, go through the motor, through the turbo and hello another 5 grand. Then, you see the turbo system or sled on the classifieds.
I'm not trying to be Debbbie downer for you but I'm just laying it out for you so you can make your own decision as to what turbo ownership is like. Myself, I like wrenching, thinking and making things work well so not a problem.
People downplay things by saying things like "runs flawless except for a small stumble", "I'm 90% there," "just a bit of tuning left to do," "one small issue to take care of," "the dealer just has to take care a small issue for me," etc. These types are in denial. The sled isn't working the way it should be. That "small tuning issue" is a major pain when it cause you to get stuck at the worst time. It ruins trips. It ruins your fun. Especially if you Paid 7-10k for turbo system.
If you go into a turbo system eyes wide open and you know what's in store for you, then it can be fun and you can have a turbo that will work. As a matter of fact, I'm going to my shop rt now to do some work on my turbo sled.
Cheers!
Kanedog
I here what your saying. Two years ago I had a Silber system. Bought it because it was cheaper. Spent more time messing with that junk. I have to say if I hadn't bought a Boost-it HO system last year I would have still agreed with you. I now have all last season and 4 days this year, and yes pull rope and go (50/50 C111 and shell 91). If you want to run pump gas don't buy a turbo.
Last year, I was watching the gauges burping the throttle worried sick because of all the problems I had the previous year with Silbers kit. This year never look at the gauges never think about it. It runs flawless never missed a beat,or changed a number at any of these Brandywine ,Cougar Pemberton Revy and Sic. If anything on my stock 11 Pro I would change clutching from the coast to Revy. I don't bother on my Boost- it sled. I do look under the hood , I keep it in a heated garage and I clean the clutches after every weekend of riding. I did that with my stock sleds. I can gladly disagree with you.
 
Disagreeing is not a problem. The cool thing is that you did agree with me as you maintain your clutches which is more than half the battle with turbos. You will be able to catch any upcoming issues. Your one step ahead of 90% of turbo owners just by doing the maintenance. Cool to see that boost it works for you. I run one also and I do change it depending on my elevation or where I am riding. It works well for me.
Yea, it's true, pump gas is no go for turbos but people try to get away with it. Mixing gas or running av is not a big deal. Every city or town has an airport that sells av.
Love your riding areas. I've been going to Brandywine since 91 and I feel it's the best riding in the world but I haven't been around the world sledding. I always kick myself when I go other places cuz there's nothing like Brandywine. 25 years and I can find new places to ride every time out. Shhhhh, don't tell anyone or people will overpopulate it.
I digress. It's very easy to tune at Brandywine cuz the 1 minute and longer WFO climbs gives you time listen, feel and look at the gauges. Heehee, sometimes I'm gawking around at the scenery climbing those great climbs!
Maybe we will meet up one day.
Happy turbo days!!!!!
 
Although I'm perfectly capable of wrenching/tuning, I'd rather not have do it on vacation where I should be keeping the track turning and enjoying the riding.

I appreciate the information.
 
I already run the good stuff in the race car, hard to have two wallet draining toys ;)
 
I run a turbo sled for 2.5 seasons going on three. I pull the rope and ride. If I go from 10,000 ft down to the farm at 5000ft I just change out my boost spring to lower boost. About 5 minutes. It all depends on who sets the sled up. I never play with fueling. Mine is truly pull and ride. Preseason is the same as my none turbo sled except I check the oil in the turbo.
 
Disagreeing is not a problem. The cool thing is that you did agree with me as you maintain your clutches which is more than half the battle with turbos. You will be able to catch any upcoming issues. Your one step ahead of 90% of turbo owners just by doing the maintenance. Cool to see that boost it works for you. I run one also and I do change it depending on my elevation or where I am riding. It works well for me.
Yea, it's true, pump gas is no go for turbos but people try to get away with it. Mixing gas or running av is not a big deal. Every city or town has an airport that sells av.
Love your riding areas. I've been going to Brandywine since 91 and I feel it's the best riding in the world but I haven't been around the world sledding. I always kick myself when I go other places cuz there's nothing like Brandywine. 25 years and I can find new places to ride every time out. Shhhhh, don't tell anyone or people will overpopulate it.
I digress. It's very easy to tune at Brandywine cuz the 1 minute and longer WFO climbs gives you time listen, feel and look at the gauges. Heehee, sometimes I'm gawking around at the scenery climbing those great climbs!
Maybe we will meet up one day.
Happy turbo days!!!!!
This summer Boost-it did the latest updates and mapping to my sled. If you don't have it get it done.
 
I run a turbo sled for 2.5 seasons going on three. I pull the rope and ride. If I go from 10,000 ft down to the farm at 5000ft I just change out my boost spring to lower boost. About 5 minutes. It all depends on who sets the sled up. I never play with fueling. Mine is truly pull and ride. Preseason is the same as my none turbo sled except I check the oil in the turbo.

Who's system have you got and what fuel control?
 
sad, but I spend an hour or more very day helping etech turbo owners from all over the world to fix their pull and go sleds.. the most common issue imploded reed cages on the aerochargers from excessive heat. 2nd is wandering settings of the fuel controller from all of the box companies. No box is any better than the other. its the luck of the draw when it comes to a good bad or just useless tuner box. 3rd, deto.. lots of deto and stories of pump gas use.. Avgas is very hard to get in the USA. it is illegal in all 50 states for an airport to sell to an unlicensed outside buyer. Sure you can find friendly small airports here and there but it is getting harder and harder. think long and hard before you put your money down on one. it is YOUR toy and only YOU will be the responsible party as to how good it urns and how much time you spend enjoying it, these are hot rods not oem high mile sleds with a warranty..
 
You don't have to run AV gas... This year I have been running straight Trick 101 (96 Octane) which seems to work just fine for me (8# at 6000'). Most fuel companies also have an off-road 92 octane (doesn't have all the emission's crap in it) that works just fine in a turbo if you are running low boost. I get the stuff delivered to my place in 55 gallon drums.
 
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