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aviation gas in a snowmobile? problems?

hey i wondered if anyone runs av gas in there sled as an alternative to race gas mix?
its leaded 100 octane if i understand right.
if it works fine it would be a cheaper way to get good gas!
 
Works great in all 3 of our mods. Have been running it for years. Just remeber that it is only 100 octane and not 110 or 116 if you have a radical motor.
 
At the risk of sounding stupid, what do you mean by that?

Boone

You have RON (research octane number) and MON (motor octane number)

MON is true blue octane and what you should worry about!

Most fuels octane ratings are the average number (RON+MON/2)

Av gas ratings are diffrent than race fuel octane ratings.
 
I was told (perhaps wrongly) to stay away from av. fuel because it is for use in engines that spend the majority of their run time at a single RPM as airplanes do, not varied RPM's like motorsports. Dont know if this is good info or not - comments?
 
Someone on here once said something like this "Everyone who says not to use it in sleds is quoting someone else, uncle, brother, friend etc because they had problems with it. Everyone who says it great fuel and to use it, is offering their own experience".

I run it in my old triple, never an issue.
I've ran it back to back with VP111 and never really noticed a difference other than how the 111 made my wallet feel so much lighter.
 
AV gas

I think the people to ask this question of are the ones that have built/installed your turbo or supplied/installed any performance mods to your engine. Their recomendations or options for fuel are the recomendations I would go with. I have asked that question and been told that av gas is fine for mixing with 91 but does need to be any higher than 25% ratio and that for some reason av gas will give your O2 sensor greif. That being said, I've run straight av and a blend of av and couldn't tell the diff. except a couple 02 sensors failed.
 
The lead can be hard on your O2 sensor. Straight av has less specific gravity than race fuel. That can cause a bit of a lean issue but usually not enough to worry about. Or a slight correction with your fuel system solves it just fine.

I like avgas. Ive used it in lots of different mod motors and turbos up to pretty impressive boost levels.

Jake
 
My last motox race bike I ran it in because it was 3 miles to get av fuel vs 35 miles for turbo blue. It worked. Was it the absolute best fuel, no. But for the price and ease of finding it anywhere (always an airport relatively close) I went with it. My buddy ran it in his mxzx 440 last year when he was in a pinch and *****ed the entire time. Kept saying is wasn't running right. But he's the guy who thinks he knows how to jet, but in reality just likes to look smart.
 
Ran it for a while in my sled, used to get sumped fuel for free. Then one winter I started having issues with my powervalves. Seemed like the avgas was making them sticky. Kept throwing the code for servo error, can't recall the number right now. Switched to 91 cleaned powervalves haven't had any problems since. Still run it on occasion. Can't prove it was the avgas. 2007 M8 by the way.
 
Its good fuel, yes it has a lot of lead in it so o2 sensors dont like it at all,remember it is 100 octane,treat it as 98. It tends to dry out rubber lines ect. (not a problem with premix) also can cause a build up of the lead .the old green 110 was as good or better than most 110 race fuels,the purple 115/140 was great !! (ww2 type fighter planes running boost)dynoed it back to back with c16 in blown gas bbc btw.
I still run race gas over 100ll but it is way better than pump gas.

BTW DO NOT use the RED av gas its 85 octane !!!


Gasoline used for aviation fuel generally has two numbers associated with its octane rating. Examples of this include the (now almost completely unavailable) 80/87 avgas, and the 100/130 avgas. The first number indicates the octane rating of the fuel tested to "aviation lean" standards, which is similar to the Motor Octane Number (MON) rating given to automotive gasoline. The second number indicates the octane rating of the fuel tested to the "aviation rich" standard, which tries to simulate a supercharged condition with a rich mixture, elevated temperatures, and a high manifold pressure.
100LL, spoken as "100 low lead", contains a lead based anti-knock compound but less than the "highly-leaded" 100/130 avgas it effectively replaced. Most piston aircraft engines require 100LL but it is scheduled to be phased out in the United States because of the lead toxicity. An alternative fuel has not yet been developed for these engines. While there are similar engines that burn non-leaded fuels aircraft are often purchased with engines that use 100LL because many airports only have 100LL. 100LL contains a maximum of 2 grams of lead per US gallon, or maximum 0.56 grams/litre and is the most commonly available and used aviation gasoline.
82UL is an unleaded fuel similar to automobile gasoline but without additives. It may be used in aircraft that have a Supplemental Type Certificate for the use of automobile gasoline with an aviation lean octane rating (MON) of 82 or less or an antiknock index of 87 or less. It may not be used in engines that require 100LL. See Octane Rating. The FAA highly recommends installing placards stating the use of 82UL is or is not approved on those airplanes that specify unleaded autogas (mogas) as an approved fuel[1].
Gasoline (MOGAS) may be used in aircraft that have a Supplemental Type Certificate for automotive gasoline. Most of these applicable aircraft have low-compression engines which were originally certified to run on 80/87 avgas and require only "regular" 87 anti-knock index automotive gasoline. Examples of this include the popular Cessna 172 or Piper Cherokee with the 150 hp variant of the Lycoming O-320. Some aircraft engines were originally certified using a 91/96 avgas and have STC's available to run "premium" 91 anti-knock index automotive gasoline. Examples of this include some Cherokee's with the 160 hp Lycoming O-320 or 180 hp O-360 or the Cessna 152 with the O-235.
Avgas 80/87 has the lowest lead content at a maximum of 0.5 grams lead per U.S. gallon, and is only used in low compression ratio engines.
Avgas 100/130 is a higher octane grade aviation gasoline, containing a maximum of 4 grams of lead per US gallon, maximum 1.12 grams/litre. 100LL "low lead" was designed to replace avgas 100/130.
In the past other grades were also available, particularly for military use, such as avgas 115/145 and 91/96. Note that the octanes of avgas cannot be directly compared to those of mogas, as a different test engine and method is used to determine the octane. The first (lower) number is the lean mixture rating, the second (higher) number is the rich mixture rating. For mogas, the octane rating is typically expressed in the U.S. as an anti-knock index (known as "pump rating"), which is the average of the octane rating based on the research and motor test method ((R+M)/2).
Fuel dyes aid pilots in identifying the proper fuel in their aircraft. 80/87 is red, 100/130 is green, 115/145 is purple (leading to the U.S. Naval aviation slang term "grape juice" for avgas) and 100LL is blue, while jet fuel, JET A1, is clear or straw, being undyed. Untaxed diesel fuel for off-road use is also dyed red.
 
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