Hmmmm, I have not seen this either. I'll keep my eyes open for it next time for sure...
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Hmmmm, I have not seen this either. I'll keep my eyes open for it next time for sure...
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HAY FARMER
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It is at The Salmon La Sac trail head.. Only been there for about a month..
nice
in the areas we go in Canada most all trail heads have those. we also pay 25 per day to ride.
way better system than we have in Washington
in the areas we go in Canada most all trail heads have those. we also pay 25 per day to ride.
way better system than we have in Washington
If you think paying $25 per day to ride on public land is "way better" then ur nuts imo.
grooming
The $25 pays for the grooming. Way better system. local clubs charge and run it. most have beacon check station and a money collector also advising riders on avy danger and reminding them to have the proper gear.
After a about 75- 100 sleds up trail enough coin has been collected and they groom. works well our system sucks.
The $25 pays for the grooming. Way better system. local clubs charge and run it. most have beacon check station and a money collector also advising riders on avy danger and reminding them to have the proper gear.
After a about 75- 100 sleds up trail enough coin has been collected and they groom. works well our system sucks.
canada
mr backcountry I'm sure you would like the riding in Canada and the non ending grooming witch does not depend on contracts or time limits imposed by the gvt.
In my opinion It is not nuts just better. the clubs that also collect the $25 trail fee also maintain mountain backcountry warming chalets with woodstoves stocked with firewood. very nice.
you've been on here a while not sure why you haven't been to Canada?
hope you are allowed and can get up there soon the riding is epic and huge.
mr backcountry I'm sure you would like the riding in Canada and the non ending grooming witch does not depend on contracts or time limits imposed by the gvt.
In my opinion It is not nuts just better. the clubs that also collect the $25 trail fee also maintain mountain backcountry warming chalets with woodstoves stocked with firewood. very nice.
you've been on here a while not sure why you haven't been to Canada?
hope you are allowed and can get up there soon the riding is epic and huge.
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Pretty poor taste to call someone ignorant for making a suggestion to possibly help those guys you just mentioned that have no gear, no packs, doing stupid stuff!
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NWaxys
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I don't know how you guys go about safety or where you find out about AV danger but it's important. No idea is a bad idea even if that sign idea saves one life it's worth the money and time then.
When our group goes out we check our beacons, packs over well and make sure all is in line. Also watch the Nw AV center site etc. if that means a day we planned to go rip up a honey hole gets cancelled for a more low profile slope spot so be it. "Live to ride another day"
When our group goes out we check our beacons, packs over well and make sure all is in line. Also watch the Nw AV center site etc. if that means a day we planned to go rip up a honey hole gets cancelled for a more low profile slope spot so be it. "Live to ride another day"
Sorry, not sorry
Poor taste? Maybe. I don't know I guess you'd have to ask the guy who said it.
Is the sign a good idea if it saves one persons life. Yes
Where Chadly was going (In my opinion) was how many signs do we need to have?
Do we need a sign that says "don't leave your sled in the middle of nowhere when you breakdown so the rest of us have to come on here, get a group of guys together in the spring to get it all out"?
How about one that says, "when riding down the trail please stay on the right side so you don't kill someone doing 60 coming around the corner"?
Maybe we should have a sign that tells people to not get hammered while out riding and leave their chit everywhere for those of us who seem to care to pick it up for them.
Here is what I do know.
I ride almost every weekend in this specific area. This hit home hard for me. I know several of the people that were in on the rescue. This entire forum was impacted by this. Yet on Saturday, once again, up in the Lake Ann area were countless idiots doing stupid chit without proper gear in a high avy area endangering all of us.
At 1pm after getting into it with some jackass from Kent who decided to leave his lunchable and 3 bud light cans (Who the hell still eats lunchables in their 30's BTW) in the snow on the ground, I decided I had had enough. I picked his chit up for him, reminded him that if he was going to be out with the rest of us who are relying on him to save our lives in the event of an emergency it would be great if had the right gear for backcountry sledding and at least to have some respect to clean up his chit so we don't have to do it for him. Then we rode our a@@ down the hill and loaded up our 3 sleds because I figured that was my best move before I saw him and pulled a full DDT on his butt.
I get I'm older and have found a touch of the "stay off my lawn" mentality, but what in the hell happened to people being responsible for themselves ALONG WITH OTHERS? I served in the Army during Desert Storm and Desert Shield. Maybe this and my age forced me to be responsible for myself and my fellow person next to me, but come on. When and where does it stop?
I realize that all the cross country skiers and mountaineering guys I pass hate seeing us out there and I do every damn thing I can to try and change that when I see them. I slow down, I wave, I stop and team them I'm impressed by them walking 5 miles up a trail and wish them good luck and to be safe out here
I also do everything I can to spread the word of Mike Duffy and the NWAC, along wth helping people understand the difference between Avy bags, shovels, beacons, etc to the best of my ability.
Am I perfect? Hell No
All I ask is that when we are all out on that hill together, that you remember that my life, my sons life, my riding partners life and the lives of everyone else on the hill that day, are in YOUR HANDS and to remember that we are all reliant on each other to keep us all safe. Why is it so hard now days to do the right thing and look out for ourselves and others without needing a sign or someone to say something?
For those of you that are not familiar with NWAC, everyone should go on their and read the accident reports. Go read the one where people on a hill caused an Avalanche and were thankful that it didn't get them but didn't realize it wiped out 6 sledders down in the tree's below the hill out of site.
Ok, Ok. Im old, I'm obviously cranky, and some damn kid just ran across my lawn so for now Im out as I have a kid to go yell at.....
And if I get any thumbs down for my rant or irritate anyone with my misspelling then ill apologize now. Sorry, Not really sorry.
Poor taste? Maybe. I don't know I guess you'd have to ask the guy who said it.
Is the sign a good idea if it saves one persons life. Yes
Where Chadly was going (In my opinion) was how many signs do we need to have?
Do we need a sign that says "don't leave your sled in the middle of nowhere when you breakdown so the rest of us have to come on here, get a group of guys together in the spring to get it all out"?
How about one that says, "when riding down the trail please stay on the right side so you don't kill someone doing 60 coming around the corner"?
Maybe we should have a sign that tells people to not get hammered while out riding and leave their chit everywhere for those of us who seem to care to pick it up for them.
Here is what I do know.
I ride almost every weekend in this specific area. This hit home hard for me. I know several of the people that were in on the rescue. This entire forum was impacted by this. Yet on Saturday, once again, up in the Lake Ann area were countless idiots doing stupid chit without proper gear in a high avy area endangering all of us.
At 1pm after getting into it with some jackass from Kent who decided to leave his lunchable and 3 bud light cans (Who the hell still eats lunchables in their 30's BTW) in the snow on the ground, I decided I had had enough. I picked his chit up for him, reminded him that if he was going to be out with the rest of us who are relying on him to save our lives in the event of an emergency it would be great if had the right gear for backcountry sledding and at least to have some respect to clean up his chit so we don't have to do it for him. Then we rode our a@@ down the hill and loaded up our 3 sleds because I figured that was my best move before I saw him and pulled a full DDT on his butt.
I get I'm older and have found a touch of the "stay off my lawn" mentality, but what in the hell happened to people being responsible for themselves ALONG WITH OTHERS? I served in the Army during Desert Storm and Desert Shield. Maybe this and my age forced me to be responsible for myself and my fellow person next to me, but come on. When and where does it stop?
I realize that all the cross country skiers and mountaineering guys I pass hate seeing us out there and I do every damn thing I can to try and change that when I see them. I slow down, I wave, I stop and team them I'm impressed by them walking 5 miles up a trail and wish them good luck and to be safe out here
I also do everything I can to spread the word of Mike Duffy and the NWAC, along wth helping people understand the difference between Avy bags, shovels, beacons, etc to the best of my ability.
Am I perfect? Hell No
All I ask is that when we are all out on that hill together, that you remember that my life, my sons life, my riding partners life and the lives of everyone else on the hill that day, are in YOUR HANDS and to remember that we are all reliant on each other to keep us all safe. Why is it so hard now days to do the right thing and look out for ourselves and others without needing a sign or someone to say something?
For those of you that are not familiar with NWAC, everyone should go on their and read the accident reports. Go read the one where people on a hill caused an Avalanche and were thankful that it didn't get them but didn't realize it wiped out 6 sledders down in the tree's below the hill out of site.
Ok, Ok. Im old, I'm obviously cranky, and some damn kid just ran across my lawn so for now Im out as I have a kid to go yell at.....
And if I get any thumbs down for my rant or irritate anyone with my misspelling then ill apologize now. Sorry, Not really sorry.
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You probably have never rode out of the Brundage Snopark in McCall. There is like 20 signs haha. This is a great post though. I don't care for the tree hugging crazies but I also go very slow and wave when I go buy them. These are the people that don't want sleds and are doing something about it. We need to be civil to these people and share the national forest with them otherwise we won't have a place to ride just like dirt bikes. Littering is a whole other big problem that shouldn't be a problem at all. No excuse for it at all. Unfortunately a lot of people in our sport think snowmobiling is grabbing a 12 pack and riding to the Tower to get drunk. Our sport doesn't need these people 
I came to sledding from BC skiing and have a lot of experience doing both at this point. I've never once seen sledders doing any kind of snow assessment in the field (e.g., hasty pits, ECT, etc.). Do any of you actually stop and assess snow before pounding an untracked face? As far as I can tell, the standard practice is for one guy to put in a mark and then everybody else jumps in to mob it, all at the same time. Works fine in stable snow, but as this incident proves, it's disastrous when there's a localized instability.
