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Are you f ing kidding me?!?

Well, I never get into political discussions, but this one hits home.
I agree w both of you guys for the most part, especially about the major medical vs covering every sniffle and sneeze.
And the AHA is getting into good people's pockets when it shouldn't, but it's also a decent attempt to keep the indigents from stiffing the emergency room every time. Problem is, govt is picking up the tab either way, but this way generates some revenue to cover. And because it's "insurance" you're paying based on the law of averages.
There's about 1000000 reasons medical costs are so high and part of it is those $800 in grown toe nail bills. Family doctor doesn't do sh!t anymore except write referrals and prescriptions. That toe nail should be 1hr of your doctors time at say $250-300.
However it is "insurance" and until the laws change about being able to refuse someone medical care if they don't have a valid means of payment, it needs to be mandatory, or costs will keep skyrocketing more to cover those that don't have any "collateral" when they get medical care.

Unfortunately your insurance premium is also helping pay a better than avg chunk of my wife's healthcare and is the reason you, regardless of who you are, should have it.....for the unexpected. Fortunately I have a good employer insurance plan, because we've probably racked up $2mil in medical bills centered in and around my middle aged wife's heart problems.

With medicine being ever advanced, there's very few "well we've done what we can, sorry you're probably not going to make it" scenarios any more. And the further you get into a bad conditions, the more the costs multiply quick.
So again, if you know you or your family are NEVER going to experience what we're going through now, then no insurance is great. But do you KNOW that or are you willing to play to odds to pay out of pocket if it happens and not just default when your bills get to be more than you could ever pay back?

That said, that penalty posted above if it was really only for a one month lapse with no side story is complete bs.
 
Well, I never get into political discussions, but this one hits home.

I agree w both of you guys for the most part, especially about the major medical vs covering every sniffle and sneeze.

And the AHA is getting into good people's pockets when it shouldn't, but it's also a decent attempt to keep the indigents from stiffing the emergency room every time. Problem is, govt is picking up the tab either way, but this way generates some revenue to cover. And because it's "insurance" you're paying based on the law of averages.

There's about 1000000 reasons medical costs are so high and part of it is those $800 in grown toe nail bills. Family doctor doesn't do sh!t anymore except write referrals and prescriptions. That toe nail should be 1hr of your doctors time at say $250-300.

However it is "insurance" and until the laws change about being able to refuse someone medical care if they don't have a valid means of payment, it needs to be mandatory, or costs will keep skyrocketing more to cover those that don't have any "collateral" when they get medical care.



Unfortunately your insurance premium is also helping pay a better than avg chunk of my wife's healthcare and is the reason you, regardless of who you are, should have it.....for the unexpected. Fortunately I have a good employer insurance plan, because we've probably racked up $2mil in medical bills centered in and around my middle aged wife's heart problems.



With medicine being ever advanced, there's very few "well we've done what we can, sorry you're probably not going to make it" scenarios any more. And the further you get into a bad conditions, the more the costs multiply quick.

So again, if you know you or your family are NEVER going to experience what we're going through now, then no insurance is great. But do you KNOW that or are you willing to play to odds to pay out of pocket if it happens and not just default when your bills get to be more than you could ever pay back?



That said, that penalty posted above if it was really only for a one month lapse with no side story is complete bs.



That's the decision that you have to make for you and your family. This decision SHOULD NOT be made for you by the government. PERIOD!
 
That's the decision that you have to make for you and your family. This decision SHOULD NOT be made for you by the government. PERIOD!

It is unfortunate, but we as the American people need to decide at what point we allow people to die. According to medicine standards and most doctors their goal is to keep everyone alive period. That means if they have to resuscitate you every couple of hours well they will do it on top of other stuff which could be considered extreme by some.

The ethics involved with medicine is a very interesting field and you really have to watch the slippery slope because allowing physician assisted deaths or death from lack of treatment becomes a huge debate and essentially it comes back to the public at large needing to decide at what point we stop spending money and allow someone to die.
 
It is unfortunate, but we as the American people need to decide at what point we allow people to die. According to medicine standards and most doctors their goal is to keep everyone alive period. That means if they have to resuscitate you every couple of hours well they will do it on top of other stuff which could be considered extreme by some.



The ethics involved with medicine is a very interesting field and you really have to watch the slippery slope because allowing physician assisted deaths or death from lack of treatment becomes a huge debate and essentially it comes back to the public at large needing to decide at what point we stop spending money and allow someone to die.



Please explain how any of this has to do with the American government dictating that I have to comply with their (obamacare) health coverage?
 
Obama pulled health care for some retired vets, my neighbor was one of them. Navy for 27 years. Was on dialysis. Obama says no more coverage, so he shot himself with a .45 face down on the floor....

But yet it's a big deal that every person in America has so called "coverage" for damn near free if you don't actually make any money. Or served our country for 27 years!!??

There will always be life and death. I don't feel it's my obligation to pay for ANYONE else's coverage in this country of great opportunity.
 
I'm self employed, 31, and very healthy. With a 5600 deductible I pay 450 per month. Payed 180 2 years ago, 275 last year. 0 prescriptions, haven't been to the doctor in over a year. :face-icon-small-con Non-tobacco user with low bodyfat, yet my monthly premium rises 250% in 2 years. The only people this **** is affordable to are the deadbeats that my *** is subsidizing. Going to raise the deductible much higher next year, the monthly premium will still probably go up.
 
I'm self employed, 31, and very healthy. With a 5600 deductible I pay 450 per month. Payed 180 2 years ago, 275 last year. 0 prescriptions, haven't been to the doctor in over a year. :face-icon-small-con Non-tobacco user with low bodyfat, yet my monthly premium rises 250% in 2 years. The only people this **** is affordable to are the deadbeats that my *** is subsidizing. Going to raise the deductible much higher next year, the monthly premium will still probably go up.


Exactly! We pay more, so more uninsured people can be insured...

Obama said, "In the past year alone, about 10 million uninsured Americans finally gained the security of health coverage."
 
Exactly! We pay more, so more uninsured people can be insured...

Obama said, "In the past year alone, about 10 million uninsured Americans finally gained the security of health coverage."

Not to rain on the parade, but all the Affordable care act does is shift the cost burden from future generations to everyone now. No matter what the government, and by extension, YOU end up footing the bill when people don't have insurance.

Again, being realistic we need to set limits to what is covered as a "right" to medical care and save money by providing less care for the 10% who utilize 90% of healthcare costs(and I mean that for those using public programs, idc about how much your private insurance covers since you pay the premiums on it). Essentially, with those numbers in mind, if you cut back 10% on those high cost individuals you save 9% overall which is astronomical compared to the rising rates we have currently. There is no right to cutting edge expensive technology to prolong your life. If you cannot manage to support yourself then we should have the government there to provide basic/cheap life saving medical treatment, and once you pass that threshold nature has decided it is your time.
 
We have the right to
Life
Liberty and
The pursuit of happiness.


Why do people think we to keep adding to this list?
Cell plans?
Health Care?
Groceries?
Housing?
Utilities?


All these freebees is without a doubt removing the incentive for many in our society to work, and this is being passed on to future generations.
 
We have the right to
Life
Liberty and
The pursuit of happiness.


Why do people think we to keep adding to this list?
Cell plans?
Health Care?
Groceries?
Housing?
Utilities?


All these freebees is without a doubt removing the incentive for many in our society to work, and this is being passed on to future generations.


Hey, I can't agree more, but unfortunately those of us who look out for ourselves aren't in the majority so we don't make the rules. At this point I'll be happy to just meet in the middle of fiscal responsibility.
 
The Democrats and their socialist agenda is actually a detriment to those who are truly disadvantaged.
These are the ones that any of us are more than happy to help. But this "forced charity" has undoubtedly affected what many of us give to actual charity cases.
 
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It's supposed to go up from here....

I paid 80$ out of my pocket for "healthcare" last year. With this fine, my total healthcare cost for the year is $800!!! 10x/1000% increase.... Can somebody PLEASE explain the AFFORDABLE health act to me?!?

I don't pay.


But if I chose to. It would cost me $1800 a month






I hope this sign is real.
If this is happening, the ACA will not hold up.

Put it on your EBT card .!?
 
We have the right to
Life
Liberty and
The pursuit of happiness.


Why do people think we to keep adding to this list?
Cell plans?
Health Care?
Groceries?
Housing?
Utilities?


All these freebees is without a doubt removing the incentive for many in our society to work, and this is being passed on to future generations.
Ahh the downfall of socialism. Sooner or later people give up and say F it! Why should I do it if no one else wants to? And the whole system collapse's under its own weight. Our current administration knows this. It's all about destroying the country not making sure everyone has health insurance. Some states opted out I'm not sure what that means, but maybe it's why it's easier to go without health insurance in Wyoming than it is in Minnesota where Gov. Dayton has his head up Obama's arse.
 
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