i own both a 2006 apex mtn and a 2008 nytro mtx. both these sleds have apex skids and 162 maverick tracks. was out on 16th in about 1 and a half feet of fresh. i rode both sleds back to back in untouched powder in meadows comparing how they both ride and carve. there is no way that my nytro even comes close for smooth s carving. the dynamics are so different.the apex almost feels like it will fall over in deep snow with very little effort while the nytro is almost too rider forward and requires more input to pull over and feels like it wants to stand up. i would like to hear input from other riders who have ridden both and can compare honestly.