Install the app
How to install the app on iOS

Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.

Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.

  • Don't miss out on all the fun! Register on our forums to post and have added features! Membership levels include a FREE membership tier.

Anybody read James Wesley Rawles "The Patriots"

FriscoProx

Well-known member
Premium Member
It's a great read. Take place mostly in Idaho after the economy completely collapses. I thought I had a pretty good idea of how things would play out and what I'd need to make it through but this was a real eye opener.
 
I read the publisher copy and while it had some minor changes before print it was Ok. Rawles is a long time doom and gloom survival boy and he does impart some important and maybe realistic info. but living your life preparing for economic collapse is a bit much, just ask all the bombshelter builders of the 80's, boy were they ever bummed when the USSR collapsed, not much chance of A-Bomb Armageddon after that. I doubt that the economy will collapse quite that quick, can it collapse and evolve into a Hyper Inflation period, yes, but that would most likely not happen, and remember the Great Depression happened not that long ago and the country did not desolve into anarchy, like so many survival books like to portray. On that note I still keep plenty of ammo and reloading supplies on hand and have a significant gun collection, but then again I grew up in the mountains where we ate Elk more than beef and had a big garden, canned vegetables and made Jelly etc..However if you want to read a very interesting book try to get a copy of John Ross "Unintended Consequences" that one is a great read and will make you question your Government and our Gun laws, not for liberals though....
 
..........

What did any of that have to do with the book in reference, or anything else. If you want to participate in an intelligent conversation, please do so, but adding this other drivel is nothing short of moronic, never mind you obviously would not get it anyway.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
What did any of that have to do with the book in reference, or anything else. If you want to participate in an intelligent conversation, please do so, but adding this other drivel is nothing short of moronic, never mind you obviously would not get it anyway.

to participate in an intelligent conversation we would need two things

1. an intelligent topic on which to discuss
2. individuals capable of intelligent conversation (moranic, I like that)
 
A $1.6 trillion this year too. Only took three days after raising the debt ceiling $1.9 trillion and they announce it's as good as spent. We have $3.2 trillion in short term debt to refinance this year alone. That equates to 8% of world GDP (keeping up Moldy?). 2011 won't be any better, we'll be refinancing most of the 2009 bailouts and stimulus in addition to that part of the accrued debt that's due.

Either of two dire scenarios play out over the next 2-3 years, one, other nations run out of money or just balk at buying more of our debt, unless we raise interest rates to lure them back. Raising interest rates would re-collapse our housing market and put us into a depression and creates even more debt. Second scenario, nobody buys our debt and we monetize it dumping the dollar into the Weimar or Zimbabwe currency death spiral.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60U1PZ20100131
 
A $1.6 trillion this year too. Only took three days after raising the debt ceiling $1.9 trillion and they announce it's as good as spent. We have $3.2 trillion in short term debt to refinance this year alone. That equates to 8% of world GDP (keeping up Moldy?). 2011 won't be any better, we'll be refinancing most of the 2009 bailouts and stimulus in addition to that part of the accrued debt that's due.

Either of two dire scenarios play out over the next 2-3 years, one, other nations run out of money or just balk at buying more of our debt, unless we raise interest rates to lure them back. Raising interest rates would re-collapse our housing market and put us into a depression and creates even more debt. Second scenario, nobody buys our debt and we monetize it dumping the dollar into the Weimar or Zimbabwe currency death spiral.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60U1PZ20100131

So if I check back with you in three years and neither of your gloom and doom scenarios have come to pass will you change your ridiculous avatar?
 
There are a few other ways it could and most likely will play out. One thing is is that the Current admin. has to cut social programs and general government spending. Not likely, considering they are Dems and they pass out at the thought of less government. At any rate it needs to be done, another to increase tariffs on incoming materials and goods, eliminate NAFTA, alter the tax structure for companies that have outsourced American jobs ie. jack them up so they would be paying just as much as they would if they would have left the jobs here where they belong. Interest rates have to come up some, but freeze them at a reasonable rate for homeowner purchase of owner occupied residences. Long term loan restructuring for our current debt will become necessary. Tax restructuring for the middle class will become necessary before we have no middle class, actually a significant tax restructure is necessary period, anyway it is a long list and there are a number of scenarios but we will just wait and see how it plays out, or maybe the american people get active about this and save ourselves, that would be a nice thought. But people like Moldy would rather let the Government continue to run itself to suit its own purpose than that of the people.
 
There are a few other ways it could and most likely will play out. One thing is is that the Current admin. has to cut social programs and general government spending. Not likely, considering they are Dems and they pass out at the thought of less government. At any rate it needs to be done, another to increase tariffs on incoming materials and goods, eliminate NAFTA, alter the tax structure for companies that have outsourced American jobs ie. jack them up so they would be paying just as much as they would if they would have left the jobs here where they belong. Interest rates have to come up some, but freeze them at a reasonable rate for homeowner purchase of owner occupied residences. Long term loan restructuring for our current debt will become necessary. Tax restructuring for the middle class will become necessary before we have no middle class, actually a significant tax restructure is necessary period, anyway it is a long list and there are a number of scenarios but we will just wait and see how it plays out, or maybe the american people get active about this and save ourselves, that would be a nice thought. But people like Moldy would rather let the Government continue to run itself to suit its own purpose than that of the people.

Not sure why you think I am a big government or a current government supporter. On the contrary, but that isn't the problem. The problem, as I have said before, is the lazy American who accepts no responsibility for anything and would rather preach gloom and doom than get off their overweight arse and do something. You want to eat, get a job, you lost your job, get another one, you bought a house you can't afford, buy a smaller one. Quit your whining and quit expecting me to make you house payments, buy your food and pay for your freaking pain pills.
 
Last edited:
So if I check back with you in three years and neither of your gloom and doom scenarios have come to pass will you change your ridiculous avatar?

If we still have internet in three years I will change my avatar. Or more likely the Govt's "Citizen Internet Compliance Czar" will have deleted it for me and I'll be in a re-education camp after trying to pick up the BBQ grill I won in a fictitious raffle.
 
If we still have internet in three years I will change my avatar. Or more likely the Govt's "Citizen Internet Compliance Czar" will have deleted it for me and I'll be in a re-education camp after trying to pick up the BBQ grill I won in a fictitious raffle.

cool, barbecued peacock :face-icon-small-hap
 
Damn, I have been moderated, I consider myself chastised and hence will go out and sin some more. Mold I seriously do not know what you stand for, but I do agree people need to take responsibility for ourselves, actions and our Government. That being said the topic in question is a book, and a reasonable one at that. Frisco as I said before do yourself a favor and pick up "Unintended Consequences" if you can, if it is unavailable let me know and I might be able to get another from the publisher if any are left, it is a very good read and an interesting look into a number of things we have allowed our government to unduly restrict from our second amendment rights.
 
Damn, I have been moderated, I consider myself chastised and hence will go out and sin some more. Mold I seriously do not know what you stand for, but I do agree people need to take responsibility for ourselves, actions and our Government. That being said the topic in question is a book, and a reasonable one at that. Frisco as I said before do yourself a favor and pick up "Unintended Consequences" if you can, if it is unavailable let me know and I might be able to get another from the publisher if any are left, it is a very good read and an interesting look into a number of things we have allowed our government to unduly restrict from our second amendment rights.

http://www.amazon.com/Unintended-Consequences-John-Ross/dp/1888118040
 
As for Rawles book.
I have read it, in ALL of it's various incarnations over the last 20 years or so.

Its a very good read.
Mostly a preparedness manual pretending to be a story.
He uses the plot as a mechanism to teach basic survival strategies.

If such things are of interest to you, then I would highly recommend his public blog. He has arguably the largest preparedness site on the internet.

www.survivalblog.com
 
maintenance of body and soul is the best receipt for preparedness
 
Premium Features



Back
Top