Heard some good things for the entry level guns ($200ish) like the Traditions Pursuit or a CVA 209? It sounds like they're more than capable deer guns once sited in. Anybody have experience with them or others?
Anybody muzzleload deer hunt?
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I bought a pursuit II last year and gave my wife my old CVA. It worked really well. I shot a couple of deer with it. Nebraska just started allowing scopes and I put a cheap 3x9 on mine. Felt pretty confident out to 200 and was very accurate at 150 with powerbelts and pyrodex. I really liked the hammer and break action. Makes cleaning , loading, and shooting better in my book.
I have a knight lk93 .50 cal had it for over 10 years now killed more deer than my 30-06 the only thing i would do to change it is a upgrade kit for the 209 primer outher than that nothing.
it's not a muzzle loader if you have optics....or if there isn't a big puff of smoke. They should have muzzle loading in a primitive type hunt.
Off the soap box, modern "muzzle loaders" make great deer guns and do reach out and touch deer. Know a few guys who use them.
Off the soap box, modern "muzzle loaders" make great deer guns and do reach out and touch deer. Know a few guys who use them.
im with you on this iron sights and black powder none of this smokeless crap and no pellets eather .
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Check out the CVA accura. Excellent reviews and reports on this one. It also has a bergura barrel and a money back guarantee for accuracy. I have a thompson center triumph. It is an excellent rifle, but if I were buying now I would probably lean towards the accura. If you start using try blackhorn 209 powder and barnes spitfire 245 grain bullet/sabot. I get 1" groups at 100 yards with this combo. bh209 powder is far superior to other powders out there. Very clean, accurate, and consistent.
Most modern muzzleloaders are excellent deer and elk guns. Also you will want to check the regs in your state. Some states only allow conicals and some will allow sabots or conicals. Some allow the use of scope some do not. In Utah you can use a scope, but it can not be magnified.
Most modern muzzleloaders are excellent deer and elk guns. Also you will want to check the regs in your state. Some states only allow conicals and some will allow sabots or conicals. Some allow the use of scope some do not. In Utah you can use a scope, but it can not be magnified.
I use a TC Grey Hawk w 90 grains pyrodex rs and a 370 grain maxiball. Depending on which state I am hunting in I may use a scope (WYO antelope )I agree that the Sabots ,pellets ,etc has gone way to far and makes a muzzlestuffer to capable for a primitive hunt .
To annswer your question I think most any of the guns you are talking about are as good as you make them!
find the right load and bullet In my experience the bullet is most important. In older guns like my TC that have a 1/48 twist maxiballs and similar progectiles work better where as the more moder tighter twist barrels shoot a saboted bullet with better acuracy that the shallower twist will .As fas as powder goes I have always used Pyrodex RS and dont plan on changing my load ever . everything I ever pulled down on is/was in the freezer so if it aint broke dont fix it !
Like anything its what you make it! find a load that works and practice twice as much as you think you should and you will be fine.
To annswer your question I think most any of the guns you are talking about are as good as you make them!
find the right load and bullet In my experience the bullet is most important. In older guns like my TC that have a 1/48 twist maxiballs and similar progectiles work better where as the more moder tighter twist barrels shoot a saboted bullet with better acuracy that the shallower twist will .As fas as powder goes I have always used Pyrodex RS and dont plan on changing my load ever . everything I ever pulled down on is/was in the freezer so if it aint broke dont fix it !
Like anything its what you make it! find a load that works and practice twice as much as you think you should and you will be fine.
Here is a link to a forum that should have lots of info for you.
http://www.monstermuleys.info/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.pl?az=list&forum=DCForumID14&archive=
http://www.monstermuleys.info/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.pl?az=list&forum=DCForumID14&archive=
I doubt you'll get many arguments saying that an inline with a scope is at all primitive. But rifle season is often during corn harvest( too busy to hunt) and we need to fill the freezer/ thin the heard. I'll never attest to being a traditional ball and powder flask guy, but I will attest to cleanly harvesting critters for the freezer during smoke stick season. Where's the flintlock guys calling out the cap gun shooters as well as the inlines? Now that's primitive.
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I can understand that for areas like where you live, and have to use short range weapons. My point is for special muzzleloader seasons, I personally feel that traditional muzzleloaders should be used. It is kind of like comparing a bow and a crossbow for an archery season.
BIngo, black powder, cap and ball equals primitive, should have it's own season like bow. Flint or cap, don't matter.
A few years ago I bought a Rem genesis & put a leupold 1x4 on it. It was on sale at Bass pro. Maybe not the best gun in the world, but it hits where I aim it. and brought down everything I have hit with it. As far as people saying it isn't as primitive as a flintlock, etc. No it isn't but it isn't a 30-06 either. The reason they are popular in my state (IA) is because the season is about a month and a half long compared to 10 days for shotgun. (Only a few counties let us use a rifle on deer.) During shotgun season every yahoo that thinks he is Davy Crockett comes out of the city and lets the lead fly. The only reason more people aren't shot is because they can't hit what they shoot at. During muzzleloader season it is the opposite.
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I am only going to say one thing about the whole "primitive" thing. I know a couple guys that are all crazy about the flintlock, no inlines, blah blah blah. Then they are shooting flintlocks based of some 1800's design, but made with new processes and optimized in every way to shoot better. Then come archery season they'll completely chastize anyone using a crossbow, yet shoot the latest and greatest technology that bowtech, mathews, or hoyt have to offer. Why don't they shoot an old Long bow that they made themselves?
The point I'm trying to make is that no matter how much you want to say it's supposed to be "primative" it's not intended to be that. It's intended to be another season to generate more revenue via liciense sales, and to futher help with manageing the heard.
Anyway Rant Over.
The point I'm trying to make is that no matter how much you want to say it's supposed to be "primative" it's not intended to be that. It's intended to be another season to generate more revenue via liciense sales, and to futher help with manageing the heard.
Anyway Rant Over.
Good point, even traditional style muzzleloaders these days have new technology.
As far as inlines being just like another rifle I would have to disagree. They are definitely fast and accurate, but with a muzzleloader a person still has to figure out a load that shoots well out of his gun. I can tell you a dozennbullets / powders / amount of powder that don't shoot well out of mine and two or three combinations that do shoot well. So you have to invest some time and effort to come up with an effective load. Then you have one shot to make it work so you better know your load and your capabilities. On top of that you only have so much of an effective range. With mine I feel comfortable out to 150 yards. Most everything I shoot at is under 100. I only have a 1 power scope and though my gun/load is capable of longer ranges I don't feel I can effectively take game out past 150 due to the 1 power scope. Now with a rifle you have 3-6 shots in a row and capabilities of 300-1000 yards depending on the gun and the shooter. IMO inlines cannot be compared to rifles.
I do believe inlines are not in the same category all together as traditional ml's, but they are not the same as a rifle.
That is a good point about the bows. So if i shoot a recurve vs. a compound with sights, does that make up for shooting an inline with a scope. If so, I"m good to go. I don't take muzzloader deer away from traditionals. I hunt on our own ground and kill deer that need harvested. (overpopulation). Besides I use my scoped long range inline to harvest mostly white tail doe to assist the resident muley's in mainataning theri historical range. How is there shame in that, even if it is a special season? I've heard lots of people talk about shooting "whitey" and leaving lay.
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