another great forum

[AKSNOWRIDER]

The entire War/Battle over the conversion of the site was a tragedy.

chris, the tragedy was/is that you let it happen, you controlled the forum, you could have /should have done things different(weather you were involved or a by stander it was your responsibility) We Alaskans are most definately independent proud peeps..we dont take stuff lying down, we back each other 100%..and we dont like to be lied to, insulted, or treated like crap....and in one way or another..we all felt that kind of treatment in some form on this forum...now as far as "winning the battle"...maybe..but I doubt it...I am willing to bet a C-note that you cant get all the past alaskan members to comeback here in the next year..two years..even 3 yrs..even with a public apology....next fall will tell the tale on Snowest forums...when all the new sleds come out and those who know how to dial them in post up their knowledge....be it here or on other forums...the forum that has the best info is the one that will prosper..weather it be snowest, sled junkies, hcr, bcr, or some other one....

 

[christopher]

You sir are sadly mistaken. As the man in charge, the one who holds the reigns, you are 'ultimately' responsible. That is where you fail, your unwillingness to take that responsibility on. You have much to learn Chris.

I am not offended, more disappointed. For me to sit idly by watching a community broken up, a community i belonged to. And then to have you come in and laugh openly about it. You laughed about it, oh yes you did. Well that would make me, as you. I no longer am on this forum actively, not because I don't value the relationships i had with the peeps here. But because I will not encourage nor reward your behavior.

With that I'm done, thought I saw a ray of light here. I am seemingly mistaken. I'll post no more, if you think what you say is truth, you fool even yourself.

As always my best,
LA

I can take/accept responsibility for a lot of things that did, and do, and yet will happen on SnoWest.

But the nuclear meltdown that occurred that night in the AK forum was not one of them. I wasn't there. I didn't participate in it. Those were all grown adults who knew very well exactly what they were doing, and couldn't possibly be surprised by what happened as a result of it. And in all seriousness, by the time I arrived on the scene of the disaster, the plane had already crashed into the mountainside.

If you want me to accept the ultimate responsibility for any and all unhappiness that resulted from the conversion of SnoWest from totally free to partially paid, so be it. I am fine with that. My job is/was to implement the changes to the forum at the behest of the owners, so in the end, I suppose that falls squarely on my shoulders.

I am sorry that you have chosen to leave, and for the most part become a non-contributing "lurker" on SnoWest instead. If that is your way of punishing me, it only hurts your friends in reality.

SnoWest HAS changed.
SnoWest WILL continue to change.
SnoWest will contract, and SnoWest will expand.
It will never be what it was, it is becoming something new and different.
SnoWest is evolving...

You will always find the door is open to you LA, even if all you choose to do is to come in and look around, you will always be welcome here.

 

[Polar Express]

The entire War/Battle over the conversion of the site was a tragedy.

Christopher, you have made it this way,by your actions, and your omissions. The environment you created by such, created the 'war/battle'. And, until you actually figure that out, your site will continue to struggle, and perhaps fail.

Now, I for one, don't think you are stupid. I do tend to think you are lying to someone, maybe more than one person and/or group, and if you truly believe in what you are writing, you're defiantly lying to yourself.

There have been many of us that have started politely, and kindly, out of respect for what this forum once was, (and our sincere desire for it to remain great) that have tried repeatedly to 'clue you in'. Our messages have either fallen on deaf ears, or an indifferent heart, the second is much worse. Sure, sometimes our messages have been less than warm and fuzzy, but when you invest as much time over YEARS, and DECADES into a passion like snowmobiling, and a Johnny-come-lately guy (you) comes along and starts to take over your playground, without communicating respect to the ones that built this place into what it was, you're going to ruffle a LOT of feathers. It is simple people skills. And, my patience is running out for you to learn them, and be the EXAMPLE of behavior for others on your forum to follow. A position of leadership comes with more responsibility than privilege.

PE

 

[diamonddave]

If it's so great... what are you doing wasting your time on this forum?

The title of the thread is "another great forum"

It seems the originator of the thread thinks both are great.

It seems if Christopher has gotten over it by finally letting links go through, then maybe everyone else could too.

 

[snowmobiler]

bcwhatever.who cares.lmao.

 

[MPS]

If it's so great... what are you doing wasting your time on this forum?

I am definitely not the member I once was on this site. I login every now and then. However, ignorant comments/actions like this from SW moderators will only keep old and new members away. Chris, the best thing you could do for this site is either can moderators like 94 or muzzle them up real good....seriously. They are negative antagonizers and it gives a general overall feeling of this website. Chris, you are condoning 94's comments by either overlooking it or excusing it. This is direct honest advice for you Chris. IMO, 94ford needs to go. He has hurt SW tremendously and he will continue to. Catwoman needs to be given a lesson in diplomacy and being unbiased. I could go on...but you get the idea.

 

[rmk 700]

mountainpowderslut that was well said!!! thanks for telling the truth!!! this is the reason many have switched to the other site because of the moderaters smart azz remarks. thanks mountainpowderslut!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ruffryder]

mountainpowderslut that was well said!!! thanks for telling the truth!!! this is the reason many have switched to the other site because of the moderaters smart azz remarks. thanks mountainpowderslut!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think people care way too much about the personal views of moderators.

 

[94fordguy]

The title of the thread is "another great forum"

It seems the originator of the thread thinks both are great.

It seems if Christopher has gotten over it by finally letting links go through, then maybe everyone else could too.

You do seem to be correct Dave, good catch... I do admit, I kinda jumped the gun on that one... my bad.

 

[Good to Go]

If it's so great... what are you doing wasting your time on this forum?

Just once, could you try not to be a Seth... he's such a putz some times.

I think people care way too much about the personal views of moderators.

True...but they assume the responsibility and role of representative when they take the job. Chitty representatives leads to bad impressions. It's that ol' thorn "set the standard". Hypocrites need not a apply.

 

[The Boondock Saint]

Holy sheet this site is going straight into the chitter.. What used to be the most popular forums are essentially ghost towns.. So glad I decided to wait on the whole pay thing. Things are just getting worse and worse.

 

[snowmobiler]

good thing about this place you can say your opinion.you cant do that on other forums.

 

[ruffryder]

True...but they assume the responsibility and role of representative when they take the job. Chitty representatives leads to bad impressions. It's that ol' thorn "set the standard". Hypocrites need not a apply.

mmm.. responsibility? yes, representative? only to some I guess. IMO, mods are not representatives of the site at all. They are just dudes and dudettes trying to make it easier for us to play together. I think WE ALL are the representatives of the site.

Maybe they all need to have a disclaimer at the bottom.

Warning, the views and the opinions of the moderators do not represent the harris publishing firm nor its stakeholders.. lol.

Or just get rid of the fancy red names and stuff.

 

[ruffryder]

good thing about this place you can say your opinion.you cant do that on other forums.

go **** yourself! ha ha

 

[Good to Go]

good thing about this place you can say your opinion.you cant do that on other forums.

Really...? you can't do it anywhere else...?

Dude, crawl out from under the rock that hit you on the head.

representative? only to some I guess. IMO, mods are not representatives of the site at all.

There you have it... whether it should be, or not, it is. To some (is that most or a few or...) it's enough.

Since they direct and enforce, I do see them as representative. When others are held to a standard (whether it's scolded, banned, edited, whatever) those holding others to 'that' standard should meet it too. 94loser is a prime example. This site has changed, and it's their right. The standards have been set to being nice, no bashing, etc, etc. Don't you think he should meet the same standards of playing nicely that he demands..?

 

[ruffryder]

There you have it... whether it should be, or not, it is. To some (is that most or a few or...) it's enough.

I disagree. Just because people have a wrong view point as to the representation of a person, doesn't validate the appropriateness of that viewed representation.

Since they direct and enforce, I do see them as representative. When others are held to a standard (whether it's scolded, banned, edited, whatever) those holding others to 'that' standard should meet it too.

For the most part they do. Who cares if sometimes they don't? Where is this misplaced idea of absolute fairness? These aren't special moderators, just snowmobilers trying to perform a function. Some are better then others, some are more silent then others. Why is this such a big deal? Why is it that people that are very critical of this site are also very critical of the moderation and seem to pounce on any perceived error in a moderators actions?

94loser is a prime example. This site has changed, and it's their right. The standards have been set to being nice, no bashing, etc, etc. Don't you think he should meet the same standards of playing nicely that he demands..?

He doesn't demand it, he is just trying to play by the rules demanded by him by the policies set forth on the website. I find it interesting that you point out the faults of him for not upholding to the "playing" nice standard when you yourself have a difficult time as well.

Maybe I would agree with your point if the mods were behaving a lot worse then the users of the forum. Like in this example, 94guy wasn't the first to make a sarcastic comment about it, but yet he gets singled out for it?

 

[snowmobiler]

go **** yourself! ha ha

hahaha

 

[Good to Go]

I disagree. Just because people have a wrong view point as to the representation of a person, doesn't validate the appropriateness of that viewed representation.

Call me slow, but I can't rap my head around that comment. Not sure what you're trying to say.

For the most part they do. Who cares if sometimes they don't? Where is this misplaced idea of absolute fairness? These aren't special moderators, just snowmobilers trying to perform a function. Some are better then others, some are more silent then others. Why is this such a big deal? Why is it that people that are very critical of this site are also very critical of the moderation and seem to pounce on any perceived error in a moderators actions?

I think the point is, people DO care, and it's a big deal to some. To answer "who cares if sometimes they don't?", I would return, anyone that wants to grow their business. I'm not sure why it's such a big deal to some, but the fact that it is seems that it would motivate the powers to be to pay attention.

He doesn't demand it, he is just trying to play by the rules demanded by him by the policies set forth on the website. I find it interesting that you point out the faults of him for not upholding to the "playing" nice standard when you yourself have a difficult time as well.

You're right about not playing nice.. I personally didn't find the new direction very entertaining, but, it is their choice. I'll defend that to the last day. But I don't subscribe to it; clearly shown by a drop in participation and failure to pony up. You know me better than that... "difficult"..? not. Just don't care...and always bothered by two-faced hypocrites.

Maybe I would agree with your point if the mods were behaving a lot worse then the users of the forum. Like in this example, 94guy wasn't the first to make a sarcastic comment about it, but yet he gets singled out for it?

And he's singled out, because, again, he holds others to a standard that he is incapable of meeting. It's probably a genetic thing and not his fault....


Bawhahahahahahahahaha... political inference wholly intentional.

 

[XXL]

Nobody from here ever brings up anything about BCR unless some SW hater comes over and stirs the pot. Then it's nothing like what gets said about SW over at BCR. They have threads bashing the snot out of us. I agree with Fordguy if you don't like it here don't come around. He is not being ignorant, just pointing out the obvious. The mods are the forum cops, if your doing your job you're going to make people mad.

 

[rmk 700]

i said Another great forum not saying that i hate this one!!!!!!!!!!!!