And people wonder why diesel is so expensive these days...

[Supplicate]

The fuel refined on site is $0.69 a gallon, but doesn't meet the ultra low sulfur regulations.


The ultra low sulfur fuel that will be trucked up here is $7.00 a gallon.

Another great thing the gubment has done for us, the people...

 

[adrenaline junkey]

I remember the good old days when diesel was cheaper than gas by a lot the new ultra low concerns me a lot that's why i been adding 2 stroke oil to it

 

[Scott]

MY mileage has dropped by about 4mpg with this ULS crap in my 00 7.3.

 

[Supplicate]

MY mileage has dropped by about 4mpg with this ULS crap in my 00 7.3.

sounds about average...

 

[Fuelboy]

Some truck stops still sell the #2 low (500ppm) at the pumps. they have certain pumps that say #2 ultra low (15ppm). I have seen them both at flying J and pilots here in utah. I know we can still buy from the refinery #2 low diesel.

 

[Supplicate]

I know we can still buy from the refinery #2 low diesel.

Not much longer. Federally mandated that all diesel fuel sold in the US be Ultra Low Sulfur by no later then 12/01/2010, all diesel fuel refined in the US be Ultra Low Sulfur by no later then 10/01/2010.

Unless you try to run dyed fuel, I think that is still just low sulfur and doesn't fall under the new Regulations.

 

[Dogmeat]

is red diesel not low sulfur diesel?

 

[Supplicate]

is red diesel not low sulfur diesel?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but off-highway diesel is Low Sulfur (500ppm) not Ultra Low Sulfur...

 

[thebigtreeman]

Dogmeat, the fuel haulers I know around my area tell me that the dyed diesel is ULSD here. It might be different up there. However, ALL of our diesel comes from the same place and covers a good portion of Texas.

This ULSD crap is BS. I run three rigs and two passenger vehicles that all burn diesel. It chaps my behind to see how this has brought my mileage down. When you burn a few $$$thousand a week in diesel just one or two better MPG makes a big difference in the bottom line.

 

[redlineguy]

MY mileage has dropped by about 4mpg with this ULS crap in my 00 7.3.

Burn more of the "Cleaner" Fuel sound like a wash to me as far emissions!!! Then there is the PRICE!!!... + now I run Howes Year round






.

 

[ArcticBoy]

I've been told up here we've been running ulsd in clear and red for a long time. One of the guys who was delivering fuel to my job says for quite a while he was the one adding the dye to the off-road. It's all BS this emission crap.

 

[polarisfornow]

oh you guys didnt hear about the real reason ulsd was created. to many diesel pickups and semis on the road and the oil companies wanted to increase the bottom line. imo had nothing to do with emissions until big oil decided that was the way to get ulsd the standard.

 

[snoman159]

Sulfur restrictions have been put in place everywhere, not just on diesel fuel. Power generation plants, steam plants, lime plants, anything that burns any kind of fuel is required to scrub the sulfur out of their emissions before it gets released to atmosphere, so it isn't "big oil" pushing this. I've seen enough companies struggling with doing this because their profit margin is very thin, if they didn't have to they wouldn't. It is a government imposed emission restriction, just like the particulate matter filters on all of the new diesel trucks. Do they rob mileage, yes. Is there anything we can do about it, not really, unless you want to break the law.

 

[JJFlash]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but off-highway diesel is Low Sulfur (500ppm) not Ultra Low Sulfur...

Red or Off Road diesel fuel is 5000 parts per million (PPM) of sulfur content. LSD (Low sulfur), which was phase 1 of the emissions rules, is 500 PPM.

ULSD (ultra low sulfur diesel) has been available since 2007.

The newer diesels with EGR valves pretty much require ULSD. LSD or Red diesel will cause EGR valves to gum up, requiring frequent cleaning.

Whoever said it above is correct: 2010 will require 15 PPM ULSD will be the only thing available.

 

[JJFlash]

I remember the good old days when diesel was cheaper than gas by a lot the new ultra low concerns me a lot that's why i been adding 2 stroke oil to it

Be VERY careful what you put in your diesel fuel.......If you're going to run 2-stroke, make sure it is VERY low ash content. DO NOT run transmission fluid in your fuel if you have a newer vehicle. The newest diesels have incredibly high (like around 24000 to 26000 psi) pressures at the nozzles, and will not tolerate the added viscosity.

 

[dog breath]

After December 1, 2014 all highway, nonroad, locomotive and marine diesel produced and imported will be ULSD.

 

[somedude]

ULSD or acid rain and cancer what would you prefer?

 

[adrenaline junkey]

Be VERY careful what you put in your diesel fuel.......If you're going to run 2-stroke, make sure it is VERY low ash content. DO NOT run transmission fluid in your fuel if you have a newer vehicle. The newest diesels have incredibly high (like around 24000 to 26000 psi) pressures at the nozzles, and will not tolerate the added viscosity.

Its an older 7.3 power stroke I use no ash seems to quiet the motor down just a little and have seen 1 to 2 mpg increase with just adding 1/2 to 1oz per gallon. maybe it doesn't do much but the idea of keeping internals lubed up makes for a better piece of mind. just wait until the no sulphur diesel gets here yup its in the making http://www.cpchem.com/enu/tds_unsecured/Diesel_Fuel_summary.pdf