An example of what's wrong with the Federal Government

[mold]

One of my clients moved so I pick up a "change of address" form from the local Social Security Office. After taking the form to the clients new apartment and having her sign it I return to the local SS office to drop off the form. They used to have a metal "drop off" box just inside the door but the box was no where to be found. I ask the "armed guard" (now there is another story that we could discuss at a later date) what happened to the drop-off box and he tells me they don't use it anymore. He then hands me an envelope with the address of the office I am standing in on it and tells me I must mail the forms to the office. So I drive one block to the Post Office, buy and install a stamp on the envelope and put it in the mail box where it will be sent to Pocatello for sorting then returned to Idaho Falls for delivery.

 

[AKM208]

the following happened to me in the same SS office in IF

I drove my wife's 96 year old grandpa there so he could tell them that they are paying him too much. After taking a number and waiting we get our turn to see someone. I sit with him as his hearing is pretty bad but he is still sharp as a tack.

But first she has to see ID. He pulls out his wallet and hands her his drivers license. She takes it and looks at him and looks back at the ID. He is actually wearing the same jacket sitting there as the one in the picture.

"This is expired. I cant help you, Next"

I about lost it. We had just driven 70 miles to fix their error, one that they wouldnt do over the phone, it had to be in person. and then some robot person wouldnt even say sorry. The expiration was only a couple weeks earlier, and he doesn't drive anymore so why get it renewed. "Go get a govt ID" she says

Now i know why there is an armed guard there.

Any business with common sense would have said "thank you for coming in, i see your ID is expired but of course this is you so let's take care of this for you"

Oh and the waiting room was full of non-working people waiting for their govt handout.

Did I say "Now i know why there is an armed guard there."

Grandpa died a couple months later without his official govt ID

 

[mold]

the following happened to me in the same SS office in IF

I drove my wife's 96 year old grandpa there so he could tell them that they are paying him too much. After taking a number and waiting we get our turn to see someone. I sit with him as his hearing is pretty bad but he is still sharp as a tack.

But first she has to see ID. He pulls out his wallet and hands her his drivers license. She takes it and looks at him and looks back at the ID. He is actually wearing the same jacket sitting there as the one in the picture.

"This is expired. I cant help you, Next"

I about lost it. We had just driven 70 miles to fix their error, one that they wouldnt do over the phone, it had to be in person. and then some robot person wouldnt even say sorry. The expiration was only a couple weeks earlier, and he doesn't drive anymore so why get it renewed. "Go get a govt ID" she says

Now i know why there is an armed guard there.

Any business with common sense would have said "thank you for coming in, i see your ID is expired but of course this is you so let's take care of this for you"

Oh and the waiting room was full of non-working people waiting for their govt handout.

Did I say "Now i know why there is an armed guard there."

Grandpa died a couple months later without his official govt ID

Sorry to hear about Grandpa. He should have slapped the bitch, they never would have persecuted an old guy.

 

[ruffryder]

We complain that people in government don't user their brains when enforcing rules / regulations, then we cut their pay and fire them if it is found they broke rules when something bad happens.

Government is run by rules. It is a way government protects itself when things don't go as planned.

 

[skidoorulz]

Just because the mans drivers license was expired? Does that make him not who was on the license. Come on! There can't be a rule that says if some ones drivers license is expired with a picture on it I might add, it can't be used as an ID. There is a huge difference in going by the rules and COMMON SENSE. Obviously that woman has no common sense.

 

[mold]

Just because the mans drivers license was expired? Does that make him not who was on the license. Come on! There can't be a rule that says if some ones drivers license is expired with a picture on it I might add, it can't be used as an ID. There is a huge difference in going by the rules and COMMON SENSE. Obviously that woman has no common sense.

God forbid that you loose your SS Card and your drivers license. The Social Security folks won't talk to you without a valid picture ID and the Drivers License folks would talk to you without a SS Card.

 

[ruffryder]

Just because the mans drivers license was expired? Does that make him not who was on the license. Come on! There can't be a rule that says if some ones drivers license is expired with a picture on it I might add, it can't be used as an ID. There is a huge difference in going by the rules and COMMON SENSE. Obviously that woman has no common sense.

I don't think an expired license is a "valid government id"

 

[ruffryder]

God forbid that you loose your SS Card and your drivers license. The Social Security folks won't talk to you without a valid picture ID and the Drivers License folks would talk to you without a SS Card.

No doubt. Its a screwed up system.

 

[skidoorulz]

I don't think an expired license is a "valid government id"

Again. If something is expired. Does that not make it what it was? A can of out dated chili is still chili even if it expired 3 years ago.
COMMON SENSE people, COMMON SENSE. The original example was perfect. Same coat same guy. Now let's say someones license was expired and the picture showed a 6 foot man that weighed 525 lbs. with glasses and a huge beard with hair down to his shoulders. Here in MT we get our license for 8 years. In that 8 years the guy shaved, had Lazics surgery and lost all his hair and 310 lbs and his license had expired 2 months ago. Yea I could see the government moron questioning the ID and even telling the guy to come back when he got a license that wasn't expired. But if the license wasn't expired and there was no resemblance to the picture on the license, I am sure the government moron wouldn't of had a problem with it.

 

[ruffryder]

Again. If something is expired. Does that not make it what it was? A can of out dated chili is still chili even if it expired 3 years ago.
COMMON SENSE people, COMMON SENSE. The original example was perfect. Same coat same guy. Now let's say someones license was expired and the picture showed a 6 foot man that weighed 525 lbs. with glasses and a huge beard with hair down to his shoulders. Here in MT we get our license for 8 years. In that 8 years the guy shaved, had Lazics surgery and lost all his hair and 310 lbs and his license had expired 2 months ago. Yea I could see the government moron questioning the ID and even telling the guy to come back when he got a license that wasn't expired. But if the license wasn't expired and there was no resemblance to the picture on the license, I am sure the government moron wouldn't of had a problem with it.

We don't pay them to think, they are there to follow policies and procedures. That is it.

Common sense... How about the old man check his documentation out before he had to go somewhere that required it? Why is poor planning on his part now the fault of the social security office?

 

[AKM208]

A can of out dated chili is still chili even if it expired 3 years ago.
COMMON SENSE people, COMMON SENSE. The original example was perfect. Same coat same guy.
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The guy was 96 years old. He probably never thought to check his license for the expiration because he didnt drive any more and in his day (the good old USA), ID was not required like it is today. We are turning into Germany before are very eyes. "Papers Please"

When Social Security was started it was "promised" that it would never be used as ID. In fact, if you look at older peoples cards it says right on it "not to be used for ID purpose" I am not sure when that was stopped being printed on the cards. In Idaho you now have to provide your SS# to even get a fishing license.

Fact is that each generation is being dumbed down to accept a little bit more govt control. Now a days we dont even question when we get asked for ID. We get some internet jockey actually defending the govt's lack of common sense and supporting the ID rules that are increasing!

Look how they did it with taxes...

When the federal govt was first started we did not have one single federal tax. All the taxes were for and by the individual states. It took the feds two whole years before they realized they could make money and started a whiskey tax. That didnt go over well and the farmers had what is called the 'whiskey rebellion" and ended up tarring and feathering the tax collector. I bet most people have never heard of this affair compliments of our fine public schools.

Those of us who pay taxes will quickly say that by far the most taxes paid now go to the federal govt. Kind of seems that this is not what the founding fathers had in mind. Actually seems that is what the whole revolutionary war was fought over "being over taxed by a federal power/king". Founders knew that some taxes had to be collected to support armies and pay down the debt that the War had caused. But it was the rights of the states to do so.

gonna stop now before i get too involved...

 

[bholmlate]

This valid ID thing at the social security office must be a democratic measure to fight against benefit fraud. It is a little known fact that for years people have been trying to reduce their benefits. It sort of reminds me of the Republican measure to crack down on voter fraud in the last election. I am glad grandpa had the opportunity to vote at least.

 

[skidoorulz]

A can of out dated chili is still chili even if it expired 3 years ago.
COMMON SENSE people, COMMON SENSE. The original example was perfect. Same coat same guy.
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The guy was 96 years old. He probably never thought to check his license for the expiration because he didnt drive any more and in his day (the good old USA), ID was not required like it is today. We are turning into Germany before are very eyes. "Papers Please"

When Social Security was started it was "promised" that it would never be used as ID. In fact, if you look at older peoples cards it says right on it "not to be used for ID purpose" I am not sure when that was stopped being printed on the cards. In Idaho you now have to provide your SS# to even get a fishing license.

Fact is that each generation is being dumbed down to accept a little bit more govt control. Now a days we dont even question when we get asked for ID. We get some internet jockey actually defending the govt's lack of common sense and supporting the ID rules that are increasing!

Look how they did it with taxes...

When the federal govt was first started we did not have one single federal tax. All the taxes were for and by the individual states. It took the feds two whole years before they realized they could make money and started a whiskey tax. That didnt go over well and the farmers had what is called the 'whiskey rebellion" and ended up tarring and feathering the tax collector. I bet most people have never heard of this affair compliments of our fine public schools.

Those of us who pay taxes will quickly say that by far the most taxes paid now go to the federal govt. Kind of seems that this is not what the founding fathers had in mind. Actually seems that is what the whole revolutionary war was fought over "being over taxed by a federal power/king". Founders knew that some taxes had to be collected to support armies and pay down the debt that the War had caused. But it was the rights of the states to do so.

gonna stop now before i get too involved...

You must have misunderstood my statement. I am talking about the government stooge that told the old guy to leave. The stooge is the one who needs common sense. Trust me I know all about the SS card not being used as an ID. I have fought that issue with my employer when I was told I had to give my SS number to another company so the other company could do background and drug testing on me to access certain facilities that I need to enter to do my job. I pointed out the fact that a SS card was not legal ID and showed them on the back the statement on the back. I am one of those older people you talk about and still have my original card. They said they had it and would just give it to them. I said go ahead I would love to retire. To this day the third party company does not have my number and I still access all thye facilities I was told I would not be able to access.

 

[skidoorulz]

We don't pay them to think, they are there to follow policies and procedures. That is it.

Common sense... How about the old man check his documentation out before he had to go somewhere that required it? Why is poor planning on his part now the fault of the social security office?

Really? A 96 year old should be expected to remember his license was expired? That right there is a perfect example of no common sense on a government employees part. And I pay those peoples wages and I do pay them to think. Problem is most of them are working for the government for a reason. FYI most 96 year olds can't remember to wipe their own butt.

 

[ruffryder]

Really? A 96 year old should be expected to remember his license was expired? That right there is a perfect example of no common sense on a government employees part. And I pay those peoples wages and I do pay them to think. Problem is most of them are working for the government for a reason. FYI most 96 year olds can't remember to wipe their own butt.

piss poor planning on your part does not result in an emergency on my part..

If the 96 year old is not responsible, then a family member should be.

Or rather, lets blame everyone else for not allowing me to not follow the rules. America, the land of "I am not responsible, It is not my fault!"

 

[skidoorulz]

You must be one of those government stooges?

 

[mold]

sad, very sad indeed

 

[Mafesto]

Let's see if I am missing something here.

We have a 96 year old who is trying to correct a govt. workers error.
If he succeeds in righting this wrong, it results in him receiving less in benefits, yet he still attempts to do the right thing.
(Definitely something our generation wouldn't underF_ing get)
And then we have Ruffy.
Ruffy sees that the more imortant point here is that this older gentleman and those in care of him are too damned stupid to be given the courtesy they deserved when you consider why they were there in the first place.
I do not know this gentlemans story, but I thank God for him and his generation, because if they were half as lazy & selfish as our generation we certainly would not be arguing on the internet right now.

Ruffy, I usually disagree with whatever point you are trying to make, but have thought, hell just his opinion no big deal.
But this time you are so F-ed up .......hell, it's even beneath you.

 

[mold]

Let's see if I am missing something here.

We have a 96 year old who is trying to correct a govt. workers error.
If he succeeds in righting this wrong, it results in him receiving less in benefits, yet he still attempts to do the right thing.
(Definitely something our generation wouldn't underF_ing get)
And then we have Ruffy.
Ruffy sees that the more imortant point here is that this older gentleman and those in care of him are too damned stupid to be given the courtesy they deserved when you consider why they were there in the first place.
I do not know this gentlemans story, but I thank God for him and his generation, because if they were half as lazy & selfish as our generation we certainly would not be arguing on the internet right now.

Ruffy, I usually disagree with whatever point you are trying to make, but have thought, hell just his opinion no big deal.
But this time you are so F-ed up .......hell, it's even beneath you.

Thank you sir, there may be hope for the world after-all!!!

 

[ruffryder]

You must be one of those government stooges?

Nope. I hate going to those types of offices, so I double and triple check all that is required before I go so I don't waste my time.

Mafesto, I don't really care.