A quick heads up (DUI Checkpoints)

[trackvs2wheels]

Anti-Hero

Although I agree that the method of testing for DUI's might not be 100% correct down to the thousandth of a percent...how can you deny that checkpoints are a GREAT way to get people who SHOULD NOT BE DRIVING(whether it be because of a .04 or a .12 BAC) off the road???????????

Come one...whether someone has had two drinks or a twelve pack...they should not be operating a motor vehicle of ANY kind.

Also, if you stand by the fact that there were innocent people that got arrested and charged, and I mean truly innocent to the fact that they had not had ONE ounce of alcohol...I find it hard to beleive that if the person was TRULY stone cold sober, they could not go to court over the deal and PROVE they were truly sober.

Anyway, I just wanted to chime in here...

Play nice boys!!

track~

 

[Anti-Hero]

Although I agree that the method of testing for DUI's might not be 100% correct down to the thousandth of a percent...how can you deny that checkpoints are a GREAT way to get people who SHOULD NOT BE DRIVING(whether it be because of a .04 or a .12 BAC) off the road???????????

Come one...whether someone has had two drinks or a twelve pack...they should not be operating a motor vehicle of ANY kind.

Also, if you stand by the fact that there were innocent people that got arrested and charged, and I mean truly innocent to the fact that they had not had ONE ounce of alcohol...I find it hard to beleive that if the person was TRULY stone cold sober, they could not go to court over the deal and PROVE they were truly sober.

Anyway, I just wanted to chime in here...

Play nice boys!!

track~

Good post, but truly sober and within the law is like apples and oranges. that is why the methods need to be correct so there is not this grey area. I have a hard time with a random number (.08 or .1 or .05), I think it would make more sense to use simulated driving tests, this would eliminate not only drug and alcohol impaired drivers but also poor drivers as well. Just a thought. What is the difference between an alcohol impaired driver and a poor driver that killed someone? You never hear that it was a $hitty driver that cause the accident do you? or tired driver or old(with the exception of that san fran market).

 

[DenverR1]

This will have to be my last post on this because you will simply stay ticked off because of your multiple DUI arrests and want to argue like a child. But I happen to know a thing or two because I was an officer in Iowa for 4 years before I came to Denver and I did a lot of DUI's.
You mention the HGN test accuracy of 77%. The accuracy is only that high because of other things that can affect it, like natural nastagmus, rotational nastagmus, positional nastagmus etc. But once those other things are ruled out the accuracy is much higher. All three tests together (HGN, W&T, OLS) give an accuracy of 98%, again higher once other things are taken out, like obesity, age, etc. The margin of error on the intoxilyzer is plus or minus .005 percent, not too shaby. And if someone gives a BrAC in that range such as .083 they are not charged, at least where I came from, although you could still argue impairment. I never did. Another test that backs the accuracy is the blood test. Where I came from an arrestee could ask for a blood test after the breath, paid at his own expense. The blood tests ALWAYS came back slightly higher, so the margin of error on the intoxilyzer is always in the arrestee's favor. Now you always throw in big words like barometric pressure and molarity and cry about cops not knowing how they affect the machine. But you just throw in those words without any explanation, your multiple public defender's should have given you more literature. And good argument on the driving simulator. Are you really 32? We all keep one of those in the trunk for those really drunk drivers when we need a good laugh. Get real. Now I do really look forward to meeting with you in person. But don't buy me a beer, keep your money for your attorney fees. (and make sure you're not driving to the event because you still don't have a license due to some "lame azzed picked on in high school" police officer who took it from you. And a designated driver would be a great idea too, should have thought about that one before! It's as simple as this, don't drink and drive. Now stop crying.

 

[Anti-Hero]

They have laptops in cars now you could carry a flight simulator for F-sake. Did you even look to see who Fred Maxwell was, I guess not that would be too difficult for you, Huh. +- .005 is for the intoxiliar 300, not the 5000en that I quoted and that is only if functioning in a stable environment. Now I know you will need help with this but go ask for a COBRA report from the 5000en and look how many failures the machine had, ambient and so on. wash the sand from your mangina r-ton

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[Anti-Hero]

Time to go to school R1

Nice throw in the towel because I am supposedly “ticked off”, while in reality like I said previously I would school you. All you do is bring up the public defender, well public defenders do not really have expertise in toxicology or do they, or maybe they are experts in calibration? The reason this is your last post is that you are too lazy to look up how barometric pressure, calibration, calibration solution, ambient air, temperature, can all effect the BrAC reading; so you give up in a huff. I am sure they do not teach this in the police academy so: the Ideal gas pressure law, derived from Boyle’s Law is P1*V1/T1=P2*V2/T2. CMI is the manufacture of the intoxyliar 5000en in Owensboro, do you think that the barometric pressure is different between Owensboro and Denver, I know it is. CMI states that the 5000en only needs 1.1 liters of volume to run a sample, but police agencies have the accused to push a full lung capacity approximately 5 liters at sea level. Why is this you ask? Well if you have vapor in your lungs it sets at the bottom of your lungs and the police bank on the spike sample. If the intoxyliar is so accurate the why is it that multiple cases have been thrown out because the difference between the primary sample is 20% from the retain sample? Now Colorado board of health decided that they should use the intoxyliar 8000 so the accused don’t even get a retain sample to have tested in an independent lab, more crap. Why the difference, now if standard body temperature is 37c and the intoxyliar samples are ran at 34c do you think that some of the alcohol vapor is concentrated? Calibration solution denatured 200 proof that is reduced to approximately 2% alcohol and Di water. However beverage grade alcohol is 196 proof according to Pharmco, why does CDPHE use alcohol with benzene to calibrate, who is up for a shot of benzene, ah no takers. Di water, if you go to the hospital do you think they inject Di water into you, NO, that would be water for injection, because it is pure.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. So if someone is driving just fine through a checkpoint where is the probable cause for a police person to contact the driver and have he/she stop?

And then you say that you have a driving simulator in your trunk so that you can get a good laugh that just shows you are nothing but a Pinkerton thug!

In case you did not learn this one either: http://americanhistory.about.com/od/19thcentur1/a/allan_pinkerton.htm

Oh if you need help with the IGP law equation just let me know, K?

 

[m7bandit]

They have laptops in cars now you could carry a flight simulator for F-sake. Did you even look to see who Fred Maxwell was, I guess not that would be too difficult for you, Huh. +- .005 is for the intoxiliar 300, not the 5000en that I quoted and that is only if functioning in a stable environment. Now I know you will need help with this but go ask for a COBRA report from the 5000en and look how many failures the machine had, ambient and so on. wash the sand from your mangina r-ton

you work for health and safety and you sound like you want drunks on the road youve got to be kidding

 

[Anti-Hero]

you work for health and safety and you sound like you want drunks on the road youve got to be kidding

nope I just want the system to run correct, walk the talk. I believe that it should be black and white without the gray. H&S work does not have high +- ratios figure if 5000 liters of air is samples if my pre and post cals are off 5% the sample is junked. Is it so wrong to desire the system be tighten within some better standards? why not eliminate the intoxyliar and just use blood tests, well I know the answer there money and time. Accuracy has taken a back seat.

 

[Snowmark]

checkpoints

they should have "spotters" with binoculars watching the roads for cell phoners, chicks putting on make up, people eating while driving or anything else that takes the attention off the road....all are equally as dangerous as having a beer.....this random checking could apply equally as well to sledding,biking, hunting, skiing and so forth... the rangers should check everyone on or near a sled for alcohol, how bout a computer chip implant in everyone that comes with a driver's license and transmits directly to the highway patrol with our bac and location......Should drunks be allowed to build and supervise bonfires? Maybe this really goes farther than the vehicular arena????

 

[JHG]

they should have "spotters" with binoculars watching the roads for cell phoners, chicks putting on make up, people eating while driving or anything else that takes the attention off the road....all are equally as dangerous as having a beer.....this random checking could apply equally as well to sledding,biking, hunting, skiing and so forth... the rangers should check everyone on or near a sled for alcohol, how bout a computer chip implant in everyone that comes with a driver's license and transmits directly to the highway patrol with our bac and location......Should drunks be allowed to build and supervise bonfires? Maybe this really goes farther than the vehicular arena????

Going out a limb here(and I have no statistical data to support this) but I bet more people are killed by drunk drivers than by drunkin bonfire builders.

 

[bushy]

Yeah, that match toss onto gas drenched logs can be hazerdous!

Drunk driving is no joke. Get with the program and get a prescription for goofballs from your doctor so you can do it legal.

 

[backcountryislife]

Anti-hero, you're a tool & need to cut back on the if this is that big a deal to you!!

As far as whether denverR1 can "back it up" I'd put up my new 09 that I don't even have yet on that one!!

I used to fight for a living & wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole!!!!

btw, we got enough snow to ride a bit up here, gonna be a good year if it keeps up!!!

 

[Anti-Hero]

Anti-hero, you're a tool & need to cut back on the if this is that big a deal to you!!

As far as whether denverR1 can "back it up" I'd put up my new 09 that I don't even have yet on that one!!

I used to fight for a living & wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole!!!!

btw, we got enough snow to ride a bit up here, gonna be a good year if it keeps up!!!

Backcountry great post and thanks for the input that was what this thread needed! Yeah if you read through the whole thread not once did I say lets fight about and online discussion? Talk about stupidity, Jesus!

A tool huh, this is because I questioned the system that was given to me, so that is why I am tool. Well I guess a tool is much better than a sheep; with your sheepy nose up another sheepy azz. I guess Marv Heemeyer (sledder I might add), Martin Luther King, Henry Ford, Socrates, Jesus, George Patton and way too many more to list were all tools because they question and resisted against what the system was. All you have to do is read what I wrote and think; it is not rocket science. I am sure not everyone agrees with my opinions but the opinion was formed with facts, not just a random bit(h, or an uneducated slam.

 

[backcountryislife]

funny, anti-hero you're almost smart enough to make this interesting, but you're too focused on numbers & stupid details to understand the bigger picture.

you're not a tool for questioning the system (that's what defines a great citizen in my opinion), you're a tool because you're one of the people that can't understand that if it wasn't for idiots like you driving "not quite" drunk we wouldn't have this problem at all.

oh & btw I believe it was you that talked about "backing it up" first. I supposed you probably mant how much beer you can drink, huh?

 

[Anti-Hero]

I think this is what you are referring to:

And if you and I were to meet in person I don't think you'd back your statements. (And we're the one's thinking we're tough?)

I took it as why I think DUI check piont are junk.

 

[Boondock]

Wow this is why I don't visit snowest much in the summer time

We need some snow

 

[skidoosbest]

don't drink and drive....gas is too expensive so just sit and drink alot.

 

[duke1n]

I'll fight all three of ya at the snowshow... at the same time lol. I've meant cops that were cool and some that were pricks. Nothing worse than a small D with a badge.

 

[Ex-Member]

hahhaha, i got pulled over going sledding in april-ish... 0545... nobody on the road... cop pulls me over, gets out of his big SUV-cruiser.... dude was about 5-foot-nothing, i was biting my tongue hard as he was walking over. His shoulders came up to the bottom of the window on my truck Big time napoleon complex with this guy... and his name was Dickman. Fit him quite well.

I laughed pretty hard after that one.