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95 670 Summit - missfire

Ok, I've been battling a rich condition with this sled for a while now with not much luck. I thought I had it under control last weekend when I took her out and ran great for about 1/1/2 hours and then on the way back it started bogging, wouldn't go past 6000RPM or 45MPH, and seemed to run rich again at idle and would stall out unless i feathered the throttle. It was -22 out and nothing under the hood got wet and i was not in any powder so i don't think anything froze or got moisture in it, especially since it's been doing this crap since i bought the sled early this year.

So I took both carbs off again and gave them another cleaning hoping for a little luck. Reinstalled and set air screw to fact spec 1/1/8 turn out from bottom. Sled starts fine but falls on it's face at low rpm and pops alot at low and it has to be feathered to increase rpm but then will open up.

Maybe it's dropping a cyl? It pops a lot at low rpm like it's missing and has popcorn in the pipe! Now How can i check for sure if it's loosing a cyl? I felt each side of the y pipe after a few minutes of running and the mag side was just warm but the pto side of the y was hot enough to burn your hand.(not sure if that means it's not firing the MAG cylinder but maybe a good indicator?) I have spark at both plugs, there are no air leaks at carb boots. The sled has HAC on it so I don't know if that is the problem or not. I was told HAC should not effect idle or low rpm since i am at sea level.

This is driving me nuts! I need some help here. I called the shops around town and they can't even look at it until after the 1st of FEB!

Specs on sled are 95 stock:
needle setting at 3
mains: 420 on both carbs
air screw 1/1/8 out from bottom
idle screw is up to about 3- 3/1/2 turns in to keep proper idle speed
compression on both cyclinders is about 155psi in both
From looking through the RAVE valve ports the cylinder wash on PTO is dark brown on whole top and on MAG it's pretty clean not much brown at all.
plugs from last run PTO side looked pretty good MAG side plug was clean (not much carbon or browning but did not look hot) again, spark at both plugs.
 
You say it has spark on both cylinders, but how was this verified? Sounds like a bad plug. I would install some new ones gapped to spec and see what it does then. Check the spark plug caps for cracks too. That year still had plastic caps that could crack and jump spark. I've seen some goofy things with plugs over the years and that 670 in the F-chassis in not one you want to be pulling the rope on alot to get it going.
 
You say it has spark on both cylinders, but how was this verified? Sounds like a bad plug. I would install some new ones gapped to spec and see what it does then. Check the spark plug caps for cracks too. That year still had plastic caps that could crack and jump spark. I've seen some goofy things with plugs over the years and that 670 in the F-chassis in not one you want to be pulling the rope on alot to get it going.

plug caps are new, and i removed plugs grounded on pipe and both had spark
 
If you're running high altitude, like greater than 8000 you should jet down to 380 mains and drop pilots to 65.

Sounds like maybe icing up. Pour in a bottle of isopropyl and try again.

Maybe you have a short somewhere. Do your grip and handwarmers work ok? Does it act up with both of these turned off.

Maybe your HAC is in need of adjustment. I can provide you with specs if needed.
 
If you're running high altitude, like greater than 8000 you should jet down to 380 mains and drop pilots to 65.

Sounds like maybe icing up. Pour in a bottle of isopropyl and try again.

Maybe you have a short somewhere. Do your grip and handwarmers work ok? Does it act up with both of these turned off.

Maybe your HAC is in need of adjustment. I can provide you with specs if needed.

I'm at sea level and after cleaning again and adjusting carb to factory specs it did this in a warm garage about 40 F so i am sure it is not freezing up. Grip heaters work good when running and turning them on or off does not make a difference.

How do you adjust the HAC, from what I was told it is a maintenance free system and you can't repair or adjust them. If you know something i don't do tell please!
 
HAC verification

The HAC can be checked............even though the service manual says it can't. All the HAC is is a sealed chamber or bellows. In fact alot of people will argue that the HAC only compensates for altitude and not temperature, I find this to be incorrect as it does adjust for temp as well. If you want to verify if your HAC is working, pull it off, get it to a stable temp environment (in the house), once temp has stabilized, measure the pin or needle depth that is inside the nipple where the hose that connects from the float bowl vents. Record this measurement, now throw the HAC in the freezer for a little while (1/2 hr) will do, remove from freezer and remeasure the pin depth, IF the HAC is working - meaning the bellows is good, the pin depth will increase, now reverse the above procedure with a hair dryer and watch the pin depth decrease. If the chamber is bad, no change in pin depth will occur. At least these have been my findings over the years, and yes I still run a HAC on my old clunker.
 
If you're running high altitude, like greater than 8000 you should jet down to 380 mains and drop pilots to 65.

Sounds like maybe icing up. Pour in a bottle of isopropyl and try again.

Maybe you have a short somewhere. Do your grip and handwarmers work ok? Does it act up with both of these turned off.

Maybe your HAC is in need of adjustment. I can provide you with specs if needed.

coldfinger you have a 95 summit right? The book says air screw setting should be 1/1/8 from seated, i'm getting alot of people telling me that the will be way too rich of a setting and it should be at least 2. What settings do you use if you have a 95 670?
 
Not sure about the air screw. I don't think I've ever touched it and I doubt it is at another other setting than stock.

On the HAC, I had another thread that gave some specs for various altitudes.
 
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