Oregon Law states that the mountain roads close December First to April first for snowmobiling season no Wheeled Vehicles allowed!!!! People From out of state should mind there own buisness!!!!
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Sorry to ruffle your feathers in your own backyard... but what happens in one area has a tendency to blanket the whole country when it comes to land use. And FYI: as far as I've been able to research... ELKO COUNTY is the ONLY place in the country where the ROADLESS INIATIVE has NOT YET PASSED.(though same CANT be said for the rest of Nevada) No "closures" for ANY users... No "seasons" for any users... No registration stickering... No driver license/age requirments for ATV's/etc... and we dont conflict with each other (the different user groups. we dont have skiiers). We unite, regardless if we like/agree with what the other is doing. Just dont want some cry-babies in Oregon whining about some "ruts in their trail"
to have an over-extended consequence!
Now, if it stays IN OREGON, fine with me. I dont know your laws or the details of this exact occurence... and dont care to. Your probably the same guy that jumps on a cell phone and calls a trooper when someone passes you speeding?Thought I was being pretty reasonable and well-mannered 'til now.
I guess nobody can have fun on a 4wheeler or anything else unless you have a snomobile. That sucks i have to park my rzr and ride my sled in the mud i mean the wore out snow that we have now to keep the bunny huggers happy gotta love em.
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Tedd
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Just wanted to clarify a couple of things really quickly.
As per Oregon Revised Statute, wheeled vehicles are prohibited from using any area or trail designated as a snowmobile trail during the winter months. Unfortunately this is not a well known law and people need to be educated.
Also as per Oregon Revised Statute, all areas that are designated as snowmobile areas are closed to all other vehicles as well. This includes ATV's and Side X Sides with track conversions installed.
Albeit ridiculous or not, that is the law.
Before someone decides to flame me for this info, I also have other off road toys besides snowmobiles. Just adding a little bit of info to the discussion.
As per Oregon Revised Statute, wheeled vehicles are prohibited from using any area or trail designated as a snowmobile trail during the winter months. Unfortunately this is not a well known law and people need to be educated.
Also as per Oregon Revised Statute, all areas that are designated as snowmobile areas are closed to all other vehicles as well. This includes ATV's and Side X Sides with track conversions installed.
Albeit ridiculous or not, that is the law.
Before someone decides to flame me for this info, I also have other off road toys besides snowmobiles. Just adding a little bit of info to the discussion.
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suitcase
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Thanks todd, what would be the best way to help the 4x4 group understand. Ive tried talking, being nice, and taking a good guy approach. It is not working, they just don't seem to care. our forest ranger was flaming mad when he seen all the jeep track all over the meadows and hillsides. It does not make things easy, with this going on to keep access open to everyone. Lets sick susie on them, LOL.
I am with you we have wheeled toys as well, I'm at a loss.
I am with you we have wheeled toys as well, I'm at a loss.
I was up there with polaris159 Monday. Saw the same tracks, rode the same ruts. He's not condemning the 4x4s. He's just saying that if the road to is closed to them they need to stay off it for the closed dates. He and I both have jeeps that we wheel the snow with, on the same trails as discussed, when its legal. Nobody wants a battle with the usfs or anyone else. It's just a matter of principle. We can't go up with the jeeps and wheel the snow cause its illegal til april 1, so we don't. If we can't they shouldn't either. We have a limited area and we all share it. Its just a matter of keeping everyone within the proper dates. Its just part of what we deal with here in the Blues...
If we don't get much more snow even legal wheeling on the 1st of april will suck...lol
If we don't get much more snow even legal wheeling on the 1st of april will suck...lol
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volcano buster
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How recent is this revision? We were working under the premise that some ATV monies are collected and used for trails thus allowing them to use them in the winter. Also, how does the ATV population that hangs out at Diamond Lake ride the groomed trails not get flack from law enforcement?
I just don't understand why the 4x4 guys have to go where they know poeple ride snowmobiles, it's not that hard to find snow to wheel in during the middle of winter.
I also hate the guys who like to shoot where they know people ride ohv's. Not going to saying a thing about the trash they haul out to shoot either.
It's not that hard to do either of these activities where there aren't other users in the area. Ignorance is not an excues. We have so much public land in the state, there is no reason to step on toes.
I also hate the guys who like to shoot where they know people ride ohv's. Not going to saying a thing about the trash they haul out to shoot either.
It's not that hard to do either of these activities where there aren't other users in the area. Ignorance is not an excues. We have so much public land in the state, there is no reason to step on toes.
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Tedd
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I wish I knew the answer to this as well.
What I do to try and break that barrier (For lack of a better word) is, when we send out a SAWS news item or alert, I will forward it on to some of the different groups. This doesn't happen every time, but I try to let them know what we are doing in hopes that we can work together. PNW4WDA has used some of our info as we have some of theres.
The statute was last revised back in the late 90's if I recall correctly, I would have to go back and look. The only conclusion I can come to is that the areas around Diamond are not patrolled. I would look for a revision to the statute to come out very soon as well since the Oregon Legislature just did a reclassification of OHV's. They put all the side x sides in there own class.
Unfortunately the monies from off road permits goes directly back into Parks & Recreation to be used for OHV specific projects and areas. Monies from snowmobile registrations goes directly back to the DMV which is then dispersed to ODOT for plowing of snow parks and OSSA for grooming and the list goes on. (Of course this is not an in depth list, just generalities)
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volcano buster
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The US Forest Service has closed all groomed snow trails in the Rogue-Siskiyou and Fremont-Winema National Forests to ATV riding!!! This means that ATV riders in Medford, Grants Pass, Ashland, Klamath Falls and surrounding areas will not have a local location to ride ATVs on groomed snow trails. Fortunately the Umpqua National Forest has not followed. There are still over 55 miles of groomed snow trails in the Diamond Lake area that are open to ATV riders. These trails can be easily accessed from Diamond Lake Resort.
We have one question ... is a ban on snowmobiles next??
From: http://diamondlake.net/grooming.html
Central Oregon Snowbusters site is showing that unless otherwise posted, the trails are open to many things including ATV's.
From: http://www.centraloregonsnowbusters.com/Trailschedule.htm
We have one question ... is a ban on snowmobiles next??
From: http://diamondlake.net/grooming.html
Central Oregon Snowbusters site is showing that unless otherwise posted, the trails are open to many things including ATV's.
From: http://www.centraloregonsnowbusters.com/Trailschedule.htm
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Hood national forest has signs posted stating "no motorized wheeled vehicles over 48" wide", how is that for specific? Of course all the xc skiers seem to be able to read is "motorized", can't count the number of discussions I've had about this at the snopark...
Hood national forest has signs posted stating "no motorized wheeled vehicles over 48" wide", how is that for specific? Of course all the xc skiers seem to be able to read is "motorized", can't count the number of discussions I've had about this at the snopark...
So as stated before get a plate # and turn them into both the forest service for a federal ticket. Then turn them into the county sherif for a county ticket. Then maybe the word will get out.
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Nobody should rat on anybody to the feds, period....... you handle this on a local level. Remenber as well the "i don't like the truck ruts" can be turned into "we skiers don't like the sled tracks" pretty quick in the eyes of the USFS eco police
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Nobody should rat on anybody to the feds, period....... you handle this on a local level. Remenber as well the "i don't like the truck ruts" can be turned into "we skiers don't like the sled tracks" pretty quick in the eyes of the USFS eco police
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Tedd
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I would be interested to see where they are getting this information
Here is the Oregon Revised Statute:
O.R.S. 821.295, (1) A person commits the offense of operating a Class II or Class III all-terrain vehicle in a prohibited snow area if the person operates a Class II or Class III all-terrain vehicle on a groomed trail or a designated snowmobile or cross country ski trail or area during a designated snow use period.
(2) This section does not apply to emergency vehicles or to trail grooming equipment.
(3) The offense described in this section, operating a Class II or Class III all-terrain vehicle in a prohibited snow area, is a Class D traffic violation. [1987 c.587 §7; 1989 c.991 §18a; 1995 c.383 §113]
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volcano buster
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I'd like to know as well, as we are supposed to look the other way if quads end up in the Santiam Pass.
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Tedd
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So I have spent several hours reading through the Code of Federal Regulations on this subject. What I am reading in several different locations is:
There are no black and white Federal laws regarding motor vehicle use on a designated snowmobile trail. Instead, the USFS refers to the state for those laws. If a State or local law prohibits this type of use, then the USFS uses those laws. The only time that a Federal law trumps a State law is if the law is too lenient. Which from what I have read so far, is very rare.
There are no black and white Federal laws regarding motor vehicle use on a designated snowmobile trail. Instead, the USFS refers to the state for those laws. If a State or local law prohibits this type of use, then the USFS uses those laws. The only time that a Federal law trumps a State law is if the law is too lenient. Which from what I have read so far, is very rare.
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volcano buster
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Thanks for your efforts on this. I own a 4x4 quad and a Bronco, but choose not to run those where others play. We usually have to wait for the snow to get deep enough to limit access to those vehicles intended for deep snow. Until then, I guess everyone is just looking for something to do. I just hope there aren't any accidents due to the rough roads causing bodily injury.
I have been told that the authorities will be getting in touch with the 4 X 4's and letting them know that the road is closed December 1st until April 1st. Hopefully this will stop the problem.
I understand that its not right to drive a full size 4wheel drive down the groomed trail. But i dont see the problem riding atvs on the trails until snow conditions get better. Like i said i sled to but i also pay for a permit to ride my atv so until it snows catch me if you can sorry im riden.
