2moto or Timbersled?

[jethro450]

I do post a lot of videos don't I ha ha! I hope you enjoy them because it's a pain in the butt for me to put them together, I honestly don't know why I keep doing it. But that's besides the point.

The 2Moto is definitely my choice of snow bike for hard pack and spring like conditions. It is more nimble and super bike-like handling as compared to the timbersled SX, LT, ST, any of them. I could rally corners so hard with that bike it was a blast! Having said that it does not jump as well as the timber sled kits do in any condition. And for me, if it's even a little bit soft, the TS is the way to go. For me, that would be about 5% of the rides I go on. So for me it's a no-brainer - Timbersled SX. Having said that, if I had the money I would own both.

And yes, I've been watching those Yeti videos too. If I had the money for one of them, I'd own every snowkit made and a snowmobile.

 

[UPsnowbiker]

Question answered! Any jumping I do is pretty minor anyways.

Now all I have to do is figure out how to pull off getting another bike and a Timbersled without my wife leaving me. I like challenges! I think I'll be looking for a 2003 plus ktm 500 and a used SX kit. My goal would be to spend less than 6k total, unlikely goal but I have until next season to shop.

 

[UPsnowbiker]

Also...let me know if you're looking to upgrade to a newer SX and need to sell one before next season.

 

[jethro450]

I think I missed your question. You are asking if the SX is better handling than the ST and LT right? The answer is a definite yes! In deeper snow you don't notice it nearly as much as you do on hard pack - and you are asking more about hard pack conditions right?

I actually had a chance to ride them all back to back just last weekend. I ran into a group of guys who had them. The SX really is that much better in the handling department and simply due to track speed, I was able to do just as much as the LT guy as far as climbing goes. I was actually surprised I wasn't more impressed with it's climbing ability - I don't think it had the right bike hooked up to it though. It was a KTM 500 that didn't seem to rev out like my 450 does, and the track may not have been set up good either.

Anyways yes, the SX is that much better and it's really noticeable in hard pack.

 

[jethro450]

I am not looking to upgrade to a newer SX. The only change they've made is air shocks - and quite honestly I like the spring shocks over the air. I don't want to have to always be checking my air pressure in the shocks.

 

[SEOINAGE]

I have to admit your videos have me leaning towards an sx as well. But they are claiming the newer ST is comparable to the SX. I'm assuming you could trim the paddles to match the SX as well as cut an inch off each side to match the width. The suspension characteristics of an SX that much better to the 2015 st? I can get a new 15 cheaper than a used SX still. But I watch how you ride, and it's almost noticeable how you side hill differently. I see big drops and jumps on the SX as well as the ST.

 

[UPsnowbiker]

I think I missed your question. You are asking if the SX is better handling than the ST and LT right? The answer is a definite yes! In deeper snow you don't notice it nearly as much as you do on hard pack - and you are asking more about hard pack conditions right?

I actually had a chance to ride them all back to back just last weekend. I ran into a group of guys who had them. The SX really is that much better in the handling department and simply due to track speed, I was able to do just as much as the LT guy as far as climbing goes. I was actually surprised I wasn't more impressed with it's climbing ability - I don't think it had the right bike hooked up to it though. It was a KTM 500 that didn't seem to rev out like my 450 does, and the track may not have been set up good either.

Anyways yes, the SX is that much better and it's really noticeable in hard pack.

No, I was asking if the 2moto is noticeably more nimble than even the SX on regular snow. Want to make sure I have 2 different functioning machines if I have 2.

 

[UPsnowbiker]

Also... I guess I'm never referring to hardpack snow like trail stuff. I'll call it 2Moto snow...2 feet or less of soft.

 

[jethro450]

Ooooohhh I see. Let me throw a different explanation out here.

Anywhere where the front radius of the 2moto track will not go below the snow, it'll out maneuver the SX and be just as quick as long as there is a base for it to get traction on. But we're not talking 2' here, we're talking like 4".

Anywhere where the front end/radius of the track starts to dig (the R2 kit helps with this) the 2moto will slow down and use more power to get around, and this is where the TS kits really start to shine. You only notice the maneuverability characteristics of the SX (or any of the TS kits) on hard pack. Hard pack meaning no sinking at all. As soon as there's any powder on top at all, I have no issues zipping in and around trees, carving turns on ridiculously steep hillsides, and so on, etc.

Can 2moto go in 2' or less? Yes. You just have to give it more power and it'll do it. I did it four 4 seasons and had a blast. See my multitude of 2moto videos on youtube (I know, you have). But I would say the braking point of where the TS really shines is more like 4", not 2'.

On strictly hard pack and spring-like dense snow, the 2moto is so nimble and easy to get around on that it's an absolute riot! But as mentioned above, 4" is the tipping point where the SX will destroy.

Is that a better explanation?

 

[UPsnowbiker]

Yeah actually that was a perfect explanation. Makes sense. I've ridden it enough to picture exactly what your saying.

I still want both but now I really want the TS too.

Thanks again for the nice write ups and videos.

 

[teal_210]

I am not looking to upgrade to a newer SX. The only change they've made is air shocks - and quite honestly I like the spring shocks over the air. I don't want to have to always be checking my air pressure in the shocks.

There are a few more changes to the sx than just air shocks. The linkage has been revised, it has double row bearings, a new chain case set-up, new drivers, flex arm and a new track.

But I agree, I prefer spring shocks over air. (Are you listening Brett!!!?)

The 15 SX is a on a whole new level of performance mainly due to the track, it gets way more track speed and allows you to float on-top of the snow where the 14 sx trenches and the ST and LT just kind of go through the snow.

I'm hoping the 16sx is another big jump in performance.

 

[jethro450]

I'm definitely gonna upgrade my track here shortly...

 

[UPsnowbiker]

So what did they do to the track?

 

[teal_210]

So what did they do to the track?

14 SX kits have a snowhawk track. It's great on hard pack, but it digs to china in powder. The 15 SX kits have a narrowed up version of the track on the ST kits.

6lb weight loss from the 14 track to the 15 track I believe.

 

[starvalleymotto]

2motto vs TS

Hello to everyone just signed up but maybe I can give you some input. Ive done about 3 seasons in Wy on a 2motto. Pretty much gonnna chime in with jetrho 450. If $ is a issue go with a 2motto. You can buy a kit for 2g's. ITs amazing and yes more geared for spring riding. Days with deep snow you gotta learn to find a snowmobile track and it does take more skill but worth 2g's all day. All of my riding was back country and taking a beat,packed trail to get up to the untouched stuff can be sketchy. IF you have the mean$$ get the 15 timbersled as im currently saving for. Everything in perspective, 5-6g's is a lot but their'd be guys out in 15k + sleds, and my first experience in the snow was on a bike and when I tried a sled after for the first time it just wasn't for me. Those guys make ridin a sled look easy. Any choice you make you'll have a blast!!