I would think the expert, with 32, is at least as easy as x. I haven't rode an x. I've only rode experts. I have had buddies that were like christopher and put tmotion back on expert. It does look like the skis are a little twitchy still in less than stellar snow which is what you said.
"Twitchiness" is kind of what I would expect from the Expert though.
we have tested all combos and despite what people say about t-moton, they are mostly wrong. T-motion helps when sled is stopped or slow, once the track is moving it aint really moving the best way to make an expert easier and better to ride is put the DS3 ski on it, way bigger difference than putting the t-motion arm on it. The 32 is better than the 34 for sure, it so good which is why it is a hard decision to make between the sleds. But at the end of the day you will be less tired and need less input on the x than the expert, most people wont notice this as you just adapt to what you get use to and they are not going back and forth. Its just like riding a sled at 34 then going back to 35 or 36, you wont like it but if you ride it like that for a period of time you will just adapt. I personally still like the x as the 34 is still awesome and I am small and light so the x just makes the overall experience of riding more fun, I also can do anything on the x that i can do on the expert. I aint setting records out there so FUN is what i am after. A guys said the expert will panel out now when he rides 50-60 degree slopes. I had to laugh. no one is riding that steep, and also add that the 32 inch has 30% more of the track on the ground when sidehilling over previous as you have to tip it up less than previous. Either sled will be awesome!
I ran the ds3s on my 175 g5 turbo the last couple rides and it was great but when the snow got wet and heavy it felt like they were fighting the snow. Like when ski rubbers are loose. I have Salazzking rubbers. The ds3s had the powder tips on and I’m thinking that was the problem?
I don't think so. The expert has new spindles.
That's hilarious for sure dave on the 50 or 60 degree slope. I like the expert. I'll just ride it without side panels in the 50 to 60 range.
The snow on that hill WAS NASTY, make no mistake about it.
So does this mean we shouldn't expect the expert to get a coil over skid in the next release or two?
You blanket a coil over into one group with knowing anything about suspension it seems, other than a coil over looks cool.
I’d guess he’s referring to Polaris or Cat RMSHA sleds.
Ski Doo did not say the coil added two inches of travel. They said that it had 2 inches more travel than their competitor's sled.I’d guess he’s referring to Polaris or Cat RMSHA sleds.
Doo stated that the coil over setup drops 1.5-2.5lbs (I can’t remember exactly) AND adds 2” of suspension travel on the 26’ sleds.
I guess what I was getting at, if the doo race department thought the coil over was the way to go, doos race suspensions would have it.I’d guess he’s referring to Polaris or Cat RMSHA sleds.
Doo stated that the coil over setup drops 1.5-2.5lbs (I can’t remember exactly) AND adds 2” of suspension travel on the 26’ sleds.
Yup you’re totally right, thanks for calling me out!
JK - It's clear Polaris is dumping far more into RMSHA and at the end of the day, racing is largely pay to win
its just cost is more....so are people willing to pay for that....engineers say yes, marketing says no. this is the battle, guys say they will then when it comes down to it they compare it to polaris and say theirs is cheaper...its a constant battle and to answer you previous question, maybe
stuff we try does not always make it to production either.
That is why I go summit x, the feeling of the sled being loose and easy to put where you want it. Lets be frank you can put a summit x anywhere a summit expert can go, as it comes down to the rider and their experience and also where they want to go, the expert is way easier than previous 23-25 but it is still more work at the end of the day, like a polaris. I know guys will say polaris is easier but it is just what they are accustomed to. Its like those expert riders they say it is easier and not hard to ride, well they are just use to the sled. Its like if you run your sled at 34(narrow) and then move it back to 35 centered or 36, you will find it harder to ride and more work, ride it for a few days or less and it becomes normal. But it does not mean the 34 is not easier. When u ride sleds back to back to back you see these little things. I said this when 23 came and the new expert, i peg at 20% more effort, most guys do not notice it because everyone sucks at the beginning of the season and they also love their new sled and grow into manuvering it. It was only at the middle to end of the season that I got tons of calls and messages on how to make it easier etc. This is not the case for everyone as if your a bigger guy that 20% makes you ride the sled awesome where as if you were on an x you would be over riding it. This is why you have to match yourself to whe you ride. I do most shows and you know how many people tell me they ride the steepest and deepest tress....EVERYONE! but when i go on any mtn I see tracks everywhere so obiously people over evaluate their skills, which is fine. I know how much I weight, what i like to do, and the best sled that allows me to improve and have the most fun, its why I choose a summit x. Some of us on the team have many sleds and I was surprised when I asked some of the guys what they are riding, they said expert , but they also got a summit x, I asked the reason and they say cause its easier and sometimes that is better. I totally get that but most people out there have one sled, and they have to choose the right one. I do know that almost everyone on the team now rides ds3 on the expert. When that ski came out i hated it. Those guys said they loved it, then they did not, then we cut it to make it easier to turn, they loved it, now they outright hate it, but it sucks you have to spend a lot of money to change skis. Again why I went X, I love the 32 but the 34 is awesome to and the bennefits of everything else is better on the x for me.
Yes and no, the front end is so easy, but the sled still rides flat and more planted, so good for those who want that, i do not. putting t-motion in an expert hardly changes the sled at all, t-moton is made out to be this huge thing, it helps as I said at 15km and under, once the track is moving t-motion is not. The biggest difference in 23-26 to make on an expert is the skis ds4 to ds 3
