2022 Yeti Freeride Vs 129 Riot 3 Pro.

[sotien]

I have a 2021.5 KTM 450 FE, just dropped it off to go from 54 hp rear wheel to roughly 70 reliable hp. I am a 200lb rider, I am very aggressive and love wide open carving and climbing side hill trees. I spend most of my time side hilling tight trees and carving. I heard Yeti fixed the brakes, the new spindle helps the ski, about 28 lbs lighter, 5 lbs less track weight, belt drive. The Timbersled will climb further, is able to be bent back after a hard impact, has better suspension. To Me it seems the Yeti is better for me on paper.

On paper it just seems better. I dont spend my time highmarking but i do enjoy trying to get as far up the hill as I can but spend very little time on hills.

id love to get some Feedback, the kits are within a couple hundred dollars after fit kit on timbersled and rack for the yeti. Opinions?

 

[byeatts]

We have guy dumping the 3 inch T sled kits , Track eats too much power, they will crawl in the deep very well but lack track speed compared to the newer Yeti. We likely have some 2020 3 inch t sled take off kits for sale as owners who run it last season are switching to Yeti.

 

[CB-BLR]

The 3 inch TS kits definitely haul my 240 lb chunky self through and up just about everything... The traction is great, and I almost never get stuck even when comparing it to my previous ARO 137. Ski pressure is also much lighter than my 137... But the 137 2.5 track was faster for sure, and required less horsepower to drive. My solution is to build more hp and torque. Looking forward to trying the Riot 3s for a more playful ride. I am leery about the reliability of the carbon fiber tunnel...I guess that is why Yeti sells a insurance policy on it... But I have heard that turn around time to get a replacement tunnel is usually weeks or months. Just some thoughts. Hopefully others will chime in.


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[wwillf01]

The 3 inch track has amazing traction in deep snow…. Thatbeing said the yeti free ride is awesome, smooth, quick reving and super build quality
… you cant go wrong with either but I am always nervous about the carbon … we have both a yeti free ride and aro 3


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[M5-]

I went through the same thought process last spring and decided to snow check a 2022 129 Freeride. I've ridden the 2021 Yeti a lot so I had a good basis for my decision. There were no Timbersleds to be ridden so that was a factor. I have ridden the Aro 3 but not a Riot, I don't know anyone who actually owns a Riot. Your riding style sounds familiar to mine. A close friend of mine is a tester for Yeti and last season basically nothing broke in over 100 days of extremely hard riding. It was the first season ever. This is the season to buy a Yeti if you were worried about it breaking, everything is fixed. As far a shocks go I snow checked so I went for the Elka 5s which IMO are a better shock than the TS offering but you know they are all good. If I was solely focused on side hilling I'd be taking a pretty hard look at the Aro3 if I was buying a TS because that thing side hills. The Yeti carves as good as anything out there. The new Yeti spindle is aluminum and shortens the wheel base of the kit which is going to help handling in tight trees. I guess time will tell but at least i don't have to think about it anymore, now I can just wait.

M5

 

[dooman92]

sotien, I also ordered a 2022 freeride after considering the 3'' timbersled. I've had both makes and was generally more impressed with the yeti. The dealer I buy from and ride with sells both. The riot he rode had a suspension defect and ruined the track. Although a 2.5 riot rather than a 3'', it was not as good in the deep as a comparable yeti. So, I ordered hoping the new 2.6 yeti is as good as the 3'' riot in the deep and a little lighter while not requiring as much power to spin..

The big question is, what all is being done to your engine to increase by 16 hp??

 

[eric82930]

I have a lot of time on a riot 120 and a riot 137 but no 3's. The riot would be my first choice hands down if I wasn't building custom frames. The down side of the 3 is it needs more power but sounds like you'll have enough extra to at least equal an average 450 with a 2.5. Also it will be slower in any snow thats more firm, but you will be able to take slower steeper tree lines so that might be fun. The 30 pounds less on a yeti is a real deal but I'm still chicken to break something on it but my buddy has one and we have been lucky so far. Its fast and climbs really well but the riot feel is just not there.

 

[needpowder]

sotien, I also ordered a 2022 freeride after considering the 3'' timbersled. I've had both makes and was generally more impressed with the yeti. The dealer I buy from and ride with sells both. The riot he rode had a suspension defect and ruined the track. Although a 2.5 riot rather than a 3'', it was not as good in the deep as a comparable yeti. So, I ordered hoping the new 2.6 yeti is as good as the 3'' riot in the deep and a little lighter while not requiring as much power to spin..

The big question is, what all is being done to your engine to increase by 16 hp??

Reliable 16 hp?… Tell us more please.

 

[CB-BLR]

Yes...I also was curious about the reliable 70hp motor.
Maybe at the crank? .. Definitely not at the rear wheel.
Maybe a 620 big bore stroker motor?
Maybe nitrous?

 

[sotien]

Last year I took my 2014 yz450f to Proven Moto in Utah with a 14:1 Piston, Hotcams stage 2, full fmf, Modded intake, Vortex ECU, They ported the head and it went from 52 hp to 60.5 HP. A decent increase. All the power came from the port, exhaust and tune. The YZ intake 37mm and exhaust 30.5mm valves could only flow so much air. You can get +1 or even maybe +2 valves but thats alot of money. And even then you need a larger throttle body. Proven sent the head out for 5 axys cnc port.

This year I bought a new 2021.5 SXF 450, has 40mm intake and 37mm exhaust valves. Sizably larger. The crank can hold more power stock and these engines are known to go 2-300 hrs stock if oil changed frequently. Well I am working with Lloyds performance this year in Idaho they hand port and only do so many bikes a year very small 2 man side business. They also port the throttle body +2-3mm and intake boot.

With hand ported Head, Throttle body, Intake, a FMF or RP race exhuast, Get ECU, You can go from 54 hp at wheel to about 65 hp. a real solid increase. add a DCR cam, High comp piston and you can get up to 70 HP, 490 bb and your looking at 73-76 hp on their dyno. They are maxing out the injector at 99-100% and actually overdriving it by turning up the fuel pump pressure. The next step would be secondary injector. I didnt get a BBK or DCR cam for reliability but I am expecting just shy of 70 hp.

A Motor is a simple air pump, the more air you can pump in and out with the correct amount of fuel added the more power you will make. The pic is a stock 500 47.5hp vs a 500 with exhaust port and ecu 74 hp. Same day minutes apart, you can find the video on timbersled, yeti anything snowbike Facebook page. Even if you think the numbers are high the % increase is all that matters to me.

 

[sotien]

I rode one of their 73 hp bikes, Its 73 hp If my ass has ever felt it. compared to my sxf 450 my brothers mc 450 and my yz450 it makes those feel like a crf 150r. I was more skeptical then you guys, I even called them out facebook myself saying numbers were high.


Porting, head, throttle body, air force velocity intake, exhaust, high comp, ecu, Is very reliable. I understand most of you will just say thats 8 hp at best and a month ago I would of agreed. Quality of the port is key, I was shown numbers on their dyno from other peoples port jobs on their dyno and what they could salvage after someone elses port, it makes a HUGE difference.

 

[sotien]

And dont get me wrong, doing all the bolt ons without a proper port you will likely only see 60 hp even with a 490 kit. The piston is only part of how much fresh oxygen gets in the chamber.

 

[CB-BLR]

Ok

 

[sotien]

Yes their is correction, even my 60.5 hp on my yz from proven had correction for altitude, but again we ride at 9-10k ft. The bikes realistically have 25-50 hp depending on the bike up that high even then that's optimistic and one of the reasons they last so long.

I'm not stupid my main point is I had a bike built ported and dyno tuned 14:1 (had a athena 500 for w while) with vortex ecu, exhaust, cams and made 15% more power on same dyno. and this other bike still being done will show a 29% increase from stock.

If I buy a 63 crank hp bike from ktm in utah I understand it makes less hp at elevation, but i'm not going to tell my buddy or the internet yeah the ktm makes 45 whp at 6k without correction (not sure on that number). Especially when all the dyno's at elevation correct for elevation. I'm going to say the corrected sea floor elevation dyno at 5-6k read out 54 hp at the rear wheel.


I look forward to seeing your buddies dyno #'s on both dyno's.

that 63 is from KTM on the SXF, the Factory edition has a different piston, box in box piston with hard anodized compression ring groove for more rigidity and allows a thinner ring for less resistance along with a shorter skirt. and an exhaust. so probably 64-65 crank at sea level.

 

[CB-BLR]

Yes their is correction, even my 60.5 hp on my yz from proven had correction for altitude, but again we ride at 9-10k ft. The bikes realistically have 25-50 hp depending on the bike up that high even then that's optimistic and one of the reasons they last so long.

I'm not stupid my main point is I had a bike built ported and dyno tuned 14:1 (had a athena 500 for w while) with vortex ecu, exhaust, cams and made 15% more power on same dyno. and this other bike still being done will show a 29% increase from stock.

If I buy a 63 crank hp bike from ktm in utah I understand it makes less hp at elevation, but i'm not going to tell my buddy or the internet yeah the ktm makes 45 whp at 6k without correction (not sure on that number). Especially when all the dyno's at elevation correct for elevation. I'm going to say the corrected sea floor elevation dyno at 5-6k read out 54 hp at the rear wheel.


I look forward to seeing your buddies dyno #'s on both dyno's.

I deleted my previous posts as I decided they were too contentious...and that is not who I want to be.

Chris

 

[sotien]

I deleted my previous posts as I decided they were too contentious...and that is not who I want to be.

Chris

No hard feelings I still want to see the 2 dynos in the future though from your buddy! I respect calling out BS when you see it, I haven't got the bike back, Im giving you word from the guy whos selling me his word atm. Generally though before and after dyno %s are fairly consistent.

In Michigan people been 70-80 hp out of 450's since 2007 in the Flat track world. People in the MX world buy a bbk, cams and exhaust and make 2-4 hp stop.

for a decade Formula 1 made 1000 hp from 3.0 liters or 150 hp per 450cc's naturally aspirated in the 90's "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_car". Its possible, and our motors crank/piston size are very similar. Now Im not expecting 150 hp single cylinder but you can make a 80 crank hp motor with 73 at the wheels. its not impossible.

 

[Sheetmetalfab]

No hard feelings I still want to see the 2 dynos in the future though from your buddy! I respect calling out BS when you see it, I haven't got the bike back, Im giving you word from the guy whos selling me his word atm. Generally though before and after dyno %s are fairly consistent.

In Michigan people been 70-80 hp out of 450's since 2007 in the Flat track world. People in the MX world buy a bbk, cams and exhaust and make 2-4 hp stop.

for a decade Formula 1 made 1000 hp from 3.0 liters or 150 hp per 450cc's naturally aspirated in the 90's "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_car". Its possible, and our motors crank/piston size are very similar. Now Im not expecting 150 hp single cylinder but you can make a 80 crank hp motor with 73 at the wheels. its not impossible.

Sure sounds great.
believe it when I see it on the hill I guess.

seems like it would be common knowledge that the unicorns you refer to actually exist.

 

[wwillf01]

I would agree you can get to those numbers … my 18 450sxf stock bore has been built and dynoed at Junior Jackson’s place then dynoed again at proven. I am doing a piston every 100 hours and is 68hp on pump 70 on a race u4.4 map. We have another 450sxf same results and was reliable till the cam chain adjust went out and would not return out. I use this one with the Freeride 2020.


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[needpowder]

I deleted my previous posts as I decided they were too contentious...and that is not who I want to be.

Chris

I’m sure most of us have been guilty of being a bit contentious with our posts. We are all passionate about this sport and these forums are awesome for learning what works and what doesn’t.
I personally went with the riot 3 s because even though i am 6’1 the benefit of having a couple inches lower seat height seems like it will be a huge benefit.

 

[daloof]

i find it interesting more people don't talk more about the narrow vs wider rail when comparing the yetis to the TS's... its night and day difference when leaning the bike over to turn. Not that that is the only difference.

rode an aro since 2018, test rode a 2021 yeti towards the end of the season, snow checked a yeti next day.