the shorter version Timbersleds are going to be a hit. for those not mentally challenged by peer group pressure, order one, you will not be disappointed in the lower ride height, fact is first ride will put an un wipe able smile on your face. A day in the trees in deep powder and you will be laughing. I've been riding a 3" lower timbersled since 2014. Always a laugh er when I trade bikes when helping guys set up their new kits. First reaction always the same, they step off.......stare at my bike a few minutes and say........what the hell is that ? My standard answer, " what you need but can't accept. "