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2014 PRO RMK vs 2015 Yamaha Viper MTX LE Turbo
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Agreed. Unfortunately I don't anticipate any real world comparisons until next winter when the new Vipers are delivered. Not to mention Poo and Doo have yet to release their new sled. Guess we'll see.
reading through this I noticed no body pointed out that the Pro fuel tank when they are "full of fluids" n "ready to ride" holds 2 more gallons.... or about 12.5 lbs, making it even more an apples to oranges comparison.
My 2 cents, buy the best sled in the class that fits your riding style or the type of riding you do the most.
My 2 cents, buy the best sled in the class that fits your riding style or the type of riding you do the most.
To me, you hit the nail on the head. Granted my turbo nytro is lightened up a bit, but it'll go everywhere my pro would. People that complain about turbo lag must not have ridden a 4S turbo. Boost comes on just as fast as it takes to hit the powerband on a 2S. my summit 800 turbo was a different story, seemed to take a few seconds to get any power.
Everyone I put on my Nytro is very impressed, they start out narrowminded, like most of the guys on SW, and after a couple miles, they don't want to take their Poo's back.
I've been on all the sleds, each have their own qualities, but what it came down to for me is I like to turn the key and go ride all day. I only got 2500 miles on my pro before the motor went, and I was probably lucky to get that far.
To each there own, but don't knock the 4 strokes until you've put some time on them.
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high time
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It hold two more and.....
You need three gal.. Like some have you said '' apples to oranges'' .
Don't be silly the Cat chassis carves through the woods just great, even with the extra weight. Both sleds are fine. To say you'll be worn out on the Yami at the end of the day , is also BS.
To each their own. I like riding a fourstroke and you can't make me go back.
I came back from the Snowies after spending ten days riding with several two stroke, two Cat turbos, three Pros and two Doos. I didn't do some stuff, but I'm 25 years older ''64 years old. I like my sled and I held up just fine. I'm the only one who didn't miss a day of riding due to blown engines, sore or any reason. The phrase ''just ride'' fits the turbo fourstroke.
Owen
You need three gal.. Like some have you said '' apples to oranges'' .
Don't be silly the Cat chassis carves through the woods just great, even with the extra weight. Both sleds are fine. To say you'll be worn out on the Yami at the end of the day , is also BS.
To each their own. I like riding a fourstroke and you can't make me go back.
I came back from the Snowies after spending ten days riding with several two stroke, two Cat turbos, three Pros and two Doos. I didn't do some stuff, but I'm 25 years older ''64 years old. I like my sled and I held up just fine. I'm the only one who didn't miss a day of riding due to blown engines, sore or any reason. The phrase ''just ride'' fits the turbo fourstroke.
Owen
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toony
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all of them
This is a very good discussion imo. No bashing, just rider input and opinions. (What this site was designed for)
I have rode most and owned most of the sleds in this discussion. I have had:
RX-1 turbo
Apex Turbo
Apex Supercharged
Nytro turbo
Nytro turbo
AC 1100 Big shute turbo
'13 Polaris 800 turbo
And I had a chance to ride the new 2015 Viper turbo in valmount B.C. Yamaha had a day at allan creek to see the new sleds in action. After talking to Randy that day at the cabin and told him I had previously owned the artic cat 1100 turbo and the nitro turbo....HERE take this Viper for a ride and tell us what you think. ( I had my Polaris turbo up on the hill that day)
All I can say is the new viper is nothing short of F@#king Awesome!!!
I rode the snowcheck turbo 190 hp. There is NO turbo lag, the sled handles great and throttle response is as good as my Polaris turbo. I'm not biased to any make of sled as you can see.
I buy a new sled every 2 years....Next one will probably be this new Viper. I had nothing to complain about except when you are stuck. As for those of you who say you can't ride a 4 stroke in the trees....spend some time on one. They are a totally different animal than a 2 stroke. But they are fully capable of doing the same thing. They are a lot more physically demanding I will have to say though. At the end of the day you know you rode a 4 stroke because they are more work. But at the end of the day if you own a Yamaha you don't have to fix anything either...
Just drink Beer!!!!
This is a very good discussion imo. No bashing, just rider input and opinions. (What this site was designed for) I have rode most and owned most of the sleds in this discussion. I have had:
RX-1 turbo
Apex Turbo
Apex Supercharged
Nytro turbo
Nytro turbo
AC 1100 Big shute turbo
'13 Polaris 800 turbo
And I had a chance to ride the new 2015 Viper turbo in valmount B.C. Yamaha had a day at allan creek to see the new sleds in action. After talking to Randy that day at the cabin and told him I had previously owned the artic cat 1100 turbo and the nitro turbo....HERE take this Viper for a ride and tell us what you think. ( I had my Polaris turbo up on the hill that day)
All I can say is the new viper is nothing short of F@#king Awesome!!!
I rode the snowcheck turbo 190 hp. There is NO turbo lag, the sled handles great and throttle response is as good as my Polaris turbo. I'm not biased to any make of sled as you can see.
I buy a new sled every 2 years....Next one will probably be this new Viper. I had nothing to complain about except when you are stuck. As for those of you who say you can't ride a 4 stroke in the trees....spend some time on one. They are a totally different animal than a 2 stroke. But they are fully capable of doing the same thing. They are a lot more physically demanding I will have to say though. At the end of the day you know you rode a 4 stroke because they are more work. But at the end of the day if you own a Yamaha you don't have to fix anything either...
Just drink Beer!!!!
With the same amount of money I have into my pro(~$20K), I could build a viper with same hp (~240HP) and within 30lbs of it AND burn pump gas at sealevel!. A 14' Pro 163 rtr weight stock is 531lbs, my silber kit added 20lbs to my sled. So my sled weighs ~550lbs, a stretched out 14' viper 162 rtr weight is 610lbs. Since Yamaha is offering the upgrade turbo kit at such a great price, that leaves me $4K in lightweight parts. I do believe with a few mods it would be easy to drop 30-40lbs with $4k. Why would I go through all this trouble? Well so far my 2 stroke turbo experience hasn't be stellar. I want to have a sled that gives me the hp I want, with the reliability in a lighter weight package. I do wish polaris would just offer a 4 stroke in a pro chassis so I wouldn't have to spend $4k to make it lighter weight, but at this time this is what is available. I can tell you I am tired of throwing money away on "performance" parts for pros though...
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Now anyone that thinks the Pro 800 will be in the Viper MTX 180 horse turbo league will be sadly mistaken.
So your comparing a sled with an aftermarket turbo to a stock sled?
This thread would be valid if it was comparing a pro turbo to a viper turbo.
This thread is comparing polar opposites. Too totally different sleds for totally different riders. I have had them all and rode a 14 cat so I know it will be 10 times better than my t-nytro. You could play in the trees but you had to be more on top of it and if you got it stuck it sucks. I finally bought a jack. They are a life saver with a four stroke. I couldn't roll mine over because it would leak oil all over the mountain. I finally caught myself not taking some lines because I thought I might get stuck. Wouldn't have thought twice on a 2 stroke. The Nytro had really wide running boards and and would trench bad. It was really unforgiving in the trees if it was tight. It also seemed like it needed two different skis depending on snow conditions. The problem, for me, with the 4 is it will never be close to the weight of the pro. All the weight is in the front where you can't get rid of it. You can even notice the weight of a turbo, in the pro, when not on the gas in the trees. You are not always full throttle in the trees. People that say you only notice the weight when stuck obviously ride different. Run a sidehill downhill at an angle and tell me you can't feel the weight. The deeper the snow was the more fun. The less the snow the less fun. A good rider will take either in the same places but I don't believe Chris Brown will rock the new viper like Chris burandt will rock the new pro in the trees. Apples and oranges.
That was the case with the Nytro MTX but the weight is much more centered with the Viper MTX.
I believe that I said it will be 10 times better but still comparing apples and oranges.
Dont know what I would do if I couldn't roll my sled over to get unstuck. On a hill I can usually have myself unstuck in a couple minutes by just rolling it. Lot of work the other way
Think I am going with the 155" turbo viper next year. The headlight on the viper weighs a ton alone. Thinking I can get it in the 575 ready ride zone pretty easy with a reliable 200hp and the bomb proof Yamaha clutches. Gonna keep the viper for the deep winter days and have a 137" 2 stroke to fly around in the spring. There is nothing like riding a shorty in AK, in the mountains in May and June. It's just to much fun. The biggest thing for me is the reliability of the engine and for that I will ride a heavier sled. After seeing OFT's long track viper and what he's done to it has changed my mind about 4 strokes. It's a fire breathing monster in the making.
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high time
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I got a big chuckle the other day........
As I watch my grandsons riding in the deep snow and huge snow banks. The poor kids, I can't find a sled for their size and age. They were riding my old long track Cheetah. OMG. were they having fun. Launching sky high and taking that sled where I'd be nervous myself to do. I looked at the 90 lb. boy driving the 700 lb. sled and thought , how silly all my weight concerns have been.
The Pro is more fun for sure. The Yam. will be as capable for 95% of what we can ride on. The Yamaha will be a smooth, powerful, low maintenance, no clutching, jetting, and will out climb the Pro.
We have choices.
Owen
As I watch my grandsons riding in the deep snow and huge snow banks. The poor kids, I can't find a sled for their size and age. They were riding my old long track Cheetah. OMG. were they having fun. Launching sky high and taking that sled where I'd be nervous myself to do. I looked at the 90 lb. boy driving the 700 lb. sled and thought , how silly all my weight concerns have been.
The Pro is more fun for sure. The Yam. will be as capable for 95% of what we can ride on. The Yamaha will be a smooth, powerful, low maintenance, no clutching, jetting, and will out climb the Pro.
We have choices.
Owen
So there is a lot of speculation based on ride reports, but I spent a few hours on a turbo viper mtx yesterday and it really isn't an apple to oranges, half ton to one ton diesel, comparison. The viper is a good handeling technical riding sled with reliable chute climbing hp. With skis and a diet I think it could be on top of the Mountian segment. If I was definatly getting a 15 It would be a viper.
