When I rode the 2013's at Island Park, I jumped on the 2012 600 to directly compare it in the same conditions as the 800 and was very impressed with the overall power and fun factor of the 600. It was a big surprise to me that the 600 was so capable!
2013 600 pro Belt drive?
- Thread starter Deucer
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just seems that most big bores now days need a bottom end job around 4-5k. whereas the small blocks are hitting the 8-9k no probs.
plus the 600 uses less gas, oil, easier on belts. replacement motor parts are cheaper. runs cooler. but it does has its disadvantages.
plus the 600 uses less gas, oil, easier on belts. replacement motor parts are cheaper. runs cooler. but it does has its disadvantages.
The primary reason for this is the 700-800 CFI ('08-'13) engines rod to stroke ratio (rods are too short for the stroke) thus side loading the pistons until the skirts fail (both piston and / or cylinder) and even if the skirts do not fail they are still burning up the upper rod end (turning it blue and cooking all the heat treatments out of the upper journal) this has been well documented in other threads here on SW.
For me; I'd buy a 600 weather it comes with the belt drive or not, for the cost difference you should be able to add it. If you want more, turbo the 600 and still kill a stock 800 on their good days and still have 3x the life of the best 800.
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Flygti32
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Exactly right! Then add a 660 kit, that thing would be deadly!! Its totally where my mindset is for next year instead of going up to an 800. Im stoked to see what a 600 pro will come in at for weight in 2013.
i was dissapointed when the specs for 2012 claim that the 800 pro and 600 pro are the same weight. to me they are lying on the 800 or the 600 is a lighter
The 600 is actually almost the same engine... same basic block design, same flywheel... same crank with less pin offset... and two separate cylinders.... The weight of the engine is within a pound or so of each other.
As for the 600 having a Belt drive... Well.. the PRO 600 last year was the same equipment EXACTLY as an 800 PRO... but about $1200 less...
For that reason... I find it hard to believe that the PRO 600 would be different than the PRO 800 other than the engine for 2013.
My 2 cents.
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As for the 600 having a Belt drive... Well.. the PRO 600 last year was the same equipment EXACTLY as an 800 PRO... but about $1200 less...
For that reason... I find it hard to believe that the PRO 600 would be different than the PRO 800 other than the engine for 2013.
My 2 cents.
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Kruchy
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If the 600 pro offerings are the same as the 800 I am getting one. Coming off a 12 1100 t. I bought it because I hate having engine problems. I have had my fair share of two stroke issues. The 600 seems to have proven itself, even though there are not as many out there(I think) so problems are less. I want something fun to ride with reliability and I think the 600 is it. I won't be the fastest or strongest but having something that lasts the day and doesn't ride me sounds good.
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theultrarider
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With a smallish pilot on them, the little 6's are pretty amazing where they will go. Even for a big guy they are fun until it really starts to get deep and/or steep. Then I need the grunt of the bigger bore back.
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Kruchy
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I know it's a mountain sled but what's top speed on the speedo that you have seen on solid snow. Just curious on track speed. Does it run out of power in the really deep snow? I don't hill climb much it is mainly playing in the trees. Also usually around 7000 feet. Any thoughts?
I have a 2012 800 Pro 163 and not to brag, but I consider my self a skilled backcountry mountain rider who prefers technical tree riding. I rode a 600 Pro RMK very hard on Friday in about a foot of power on a firm base near Elkford BC. The riding area had meadows, tree riding and steep climbs. I immediately noticed that it didn't have the bottom end snap of my 800. Once you got going in the midrange it felt almost the same as my 800. The handling was identical carving in the deep powder. What I noticed when carving was that I barely had to vary the throttle with the 600. It was 3/4 throttle the whole time whereas with the 800 it requires a bit more concentration. On steep hills with deep powder the 600 runs out of track speed. This forces you to be a little more creative and basically have more fun! The 800 definitely has more more power from the bottom to the top. You really notice the slower track speed (and the shorter 155) when pointed up a steep climb in the powder. Personally I prefer the ability of the 800 to accelerate much faster at the bottom of steep, short climbs in the trees. It gets up on the snow and builds momentum much quicker and helps you get through tricky technical situations. Again, not to brag or offend people, but I feel this is very important for a skilled and confident rider. The average rider might not ever need this ability that the 800 provides. So the 600 would be more than enough. For three seasons I rode an 2008 M6 with the adjustable steering column and seat off the 2010 sno pro. The 600 Pro RMK is in a league of its own. It feels much lighter (and clearly it is), has better track hook-up, more power, MUCH less steering effort, far superior suspension when set up properly and BY FAR the best handling out of any sled I have ridden to date. I rode that sled (which belongs to my mom) very hard, non-stop for about 20 mins. It can do some pretty ridiculous things for a 600. It was an absolute blast.
Check out my latest video "Powder Sunday Part II" on YouTube. There's footage of me riding the 600 near the end. I'm working on another video dedicated to the 600 and maybe a little of me riding a 2011 Summit X with the 800 E-tec. (This sled made me feel like a beginner at first - quite the learning curve - unlike the Polaris)
http://www.youtube.com/user/JSNjasonJSN?feature=guide
hmmm....tree ridin' ski-doo 800 xp rider guy here. I rode a pro rmk 800 the other day and I felt like a beginner on it too, ha ha.
Hard to believe how different 2 machines can be!
Hard to believe how different 2 machines can be!
that 600 is a sleeper...!!!..very nice sled
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Going West
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In think thats a typo, they list the break off the belt drive set up for the PRO 600. Also under the Pro 600 features it has the belt drive.
It must be a typo. Under specs it lists the dry weight of the 600 Pro as 417lbs and says it has a chaincase. Meaning it gets the belt drive. The non-pro 600 RMK's dry weight is 435, meaning it probably gets the chaincase.
I wonder what the retrofit will cost to the 11-12???
yes me too, how much
i have a 12 800 pro 155 and my buddy just rented a std. rmk 600 with 144 inch track we got the exact same gas mileage
i realized i dont need a 800 and have to get used to not just pinning it since its my first 800!!!
my .02
i realized i dont need a 800 and have to get used to not just pinning it since its my first 800!!!
my .02
