Well after seeing the reaction to Daniels post, I almost dont want to say that I liked the 50th ProClimb Turbo, but I did.
Well, owning 4 M8s and Crossfire 800s including a 2011 turbo, I felt the 4stroke was the only thing to concentrate on for the day. I only like 153 and 141 track sleds, riding hard and weighing 185, i stay with every 162 rider I know. The 162 Turbo 4-stroke 2012s that I rode were both "under construction" prototypes and were both different from each other in setup.
You can turn it over on its side anywhere anytime anycondition. up or down hill. deep snow or crust. Uturns are easy and fun with the power of the turbo coming in right as you start on the climb part of the turn.
Feels like a modified Thundercat with a 162, as far as power delivery. easily 10 mph faster than the m8s in the flats and on the deep stuff. probably 15mph faster on any climb.
No vibrations, and just a hair of lag compared to my m8t after coming off the throttle. Much less lag than my 07 M1000 turbo had.
Almost 90% of what we did was boondocking and tree crawling and without any suspension adjustment, I easily rode it all day.
I didnt notice anything bad about steering horizontal or vertical, but most were still being modified on the test units.
Riding the m800s, I liked the 40" stance better than the 38", but maybe that was just shock pressure and valving setup.
Now for the bad-
When I jumped on the M800 that Tommy had all day, it felt about 250 pounds lighter. The 50th is heavy. thats the fact. it is balanced well, but I felt like I could barrell-roll the proclimb 800 after riding the turbo all day.
The m800s vibrated like crazy to me. mostly from the chaincase right side and drive cogs, but a lot from the motor. dont know if this is the torque link, or chain and gears, but at 6000 rpms it was not shaking like an M1000, but vibrating.
Dont get the Lack of Storage. Lack of storage. lack of storage. lack of storage, after bragging about their huge seat storage for 2010 and 2011.
I personally hate the hood not opening and the tiny access side panels that dont stay attached to the body when open. Feels like a skidoo, or tigershark line of watercraft that cat used to make. Maybe this will be fixed in production models, but removing clips and pins and throwing the side panel in the snow is retarded compared to the m8 side panels. no access no access no access. People complained about pulling the m8 pipe to get to the plugs, now you have to work for 10 minutes just to pull the pipe if cold. In fact if I get a ProClimb, I will design some new side panels and probably a hood that is more functional.
if the Chain breaks (like it did 2 times in one season on my big bore tcat with chaincase), it may now rip into the oil injection tank too. Probably wont happen with an M800, but a drag race sled or race turbo should eventually break a chain, maybe not on the first owner, but after 2000 miles of 5500 rpm engagement with studs or our new deep lug tracks, I think I will miss the Diamond Drive.
That should be enough for you guys to argue about or talk shat about without ever riding one. go try them and then you will have something valid to say.
Well, owning 4 M8s and Crossfire 800s including a 2011 turbo, I felt the 4stroke was the only thing to concentrate on for the day. I only like 153 and 141 track sleds, riding hard and weighing 185, i stay with every 162 rider I know. The 162 Turbo 4-stroke 2012s that I rode were both "under construction" prototypes and were both different from each other in setup.
You can turn it over on its side anywhere anytime anycondition. up or down hill. deep snow or crust. Uturns are easy and fun with the power of the turbo coming in right as you start on the climb part of the turn.
Feels like a modified Thundercat with a 162, as far as power delivery. easily 10 mph faster than the m8s in the flats and on the deep stuff. probably 15mph faster on any climb.
No vibrations, and just a hair of lag compared to my m8t after coming off the throttle. Much less lag than my 07 M1000 turbo had.
Almost 90% of what we did was boondocking and tree crawling and without any suspension adjustment, I easily rode it all day.
I didnt notice anything bad about steering horizontal or vertical, but most were still being modified on the test units.
Riding the m800s, I liked the 40" stance better than the 38", but maybe that was just shock pressure and valving setup.
Now for the bad-
When I jumped on the M800 that Tommy had all day, it felt about 250 pounds lighter. The 50th is heavy. thats the fact. it is balanced well, but I felt like I could barrell-roll the proclimb 800 after riding the turbo all day.
The m800s vibrated like crazy to me. mostly from the chaincase right side and drive cogs, but a lot from the motor. dont know if this is the torque link, or chain and gears, but at 6000 rpms it was not shaking like an M1000, but vibrating.
Dont get the Lack of Storage. Lack of storage. lack of storage. lack of storage, after bragging about their huge seat storage for 2010 and 2011.
I personally hate the hood not opening and the tiny access side panels that dont stay attached to the body when open. Feels like a skidoo, or tigershark line of watercraft that cat used to make. Maybe this will be fixed in production models, but removing clips and pins and throwing the side panel in the snow is retarded compared to the m8 side panels. no access no access no access. People complained about pulling the m8 pipe to get to the plugs, now you have to work for 10 minutes just to pull the pipe if cold. In fact if I get a ProClimb, I will design some new side panels and probably a hood that is more functional.
if the Chain breaks (like it did 2 times in one season on my big bore tcat with chaincase), it may now rip into the oil injection tank too. Probably wont happen with an M800, but a drag race sled or race turbo should eventually break a chain, maybe not on the first owner, but after 2000 miles of 5500 rpm engagement with studs or our new deep lug tracks, I think I will miss the Diamond Drive.
That should be enough for you guys to argue about or talk shat about without ever riding one. go try them and then you will have something valid to say.
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