2008 Dragon 155 what can and suspension to get.

[EKSleder]

Hello all. I am tired of my saggy suspension and bottoming out. I have gone to the dealer and had my shocks recharged. Also I have purchased the stronger springs for the rear. Both things helped but It is still saggy as hell. This now means I am going to buy a new rear suspension for my sled and don't know who to go with? If you guys have any ideas and/or suggestions please comment. Also I would like to buy a new can. Ideas? Thanks in advance.

 

[gordo907]

i changed my whole supsension over to zbroz exits... pricey but worth the money. you could try fox zero pros all around. or walker evans needles up front all depends what you want to spend.. but those were the ones i was looking at.. for can. slp or hps both good

 

[akrevrider]

Take a look at the Mountain Tamer by Timbersled. It is a really well designed suspension with Fox shocks and they were coming out with adapters so you can re-use your rails. Very happy so far with mine and the adjustability.

Two good cans are the SLP and Skinz (Ultra-Q) IMO

Good luck.

akrevrider

 

[EKSleder]

Thank you both. It is just to hard to pick. To many options!

 

[deepdiver]

One word...HOLZ...

if EZ ryde had a lower price point and reduced the track angles I would have had two words.

 

[Sulley]

I like my Holz with Floats but a buddy of mine bought the heavy duty springs and zero pros and I like that setup as well. I bought Holz when it was on sale though...............not the Alpha X (comes with flat rails) but the regular holz. Little cheaper if you get it with zero pros with springs rather than floats. Holz does sag a bit if you set it up with there initial recomendations but it floats well and doesn't bottom. Good thing about the floats is you can add more air and get rid of the sag if you want.

I went with the Fabcraft Chambers up front and I really like them, they are adjustable as well. Fully adjustable suspension/shocks is the only way to go in my opinion.

 

[coolx2]

I would go with Holz and the alpha x. I have that and and slp pipe and can. I've been very happy with both

 

[PGTDragon]

I also run a Holz Alpha X on the rear I think it is the best rear suspension I have ever ridden, also the Holz A arms and Evol R's on the front work very well.

 

[ronmexico78]

Did you put in the 'Big-Boy' springs? 375/45 polaris part # 7042080-067 and 7042079-067
I went to my dealer too and they tried selling me 375/79 but some other members on here turned me on to the big boy springs that are actually for the 02 edge chasis but they fit our dragons (i have the same sled as you)

Everyone that has used these loves them and says in fact they might be a little a too stiff. Im installing this weekend and riding Feb.7

Try searching some past posts in this forum for what im talking about.

You can spend big bucks on the Timber susp or try this route for around $200

Good luck brother.

 

[Jkinzer]

i would definately check out the mtn tamer rear skid... for the money no one can compete with it, they have brackets out to where you can use your stock rails, into the skid for less than $1600. not to mention the ride quality, weight savings, amazing customer service, and the ability to keep the ski's planted when you need them to do so

 

[EKSleder]

Hey

Thanks guys for your comments! Every comment helps me figure out what to get. I am sure not what to do but now I know what to look into.

 

[Hillclimber]

EK,
Please allow me to vent,
I wouldn't waste money on the TimberSled. 1000 miles of nothing but bending metal and not that good of a ride quality for me.
Mountain Tamer Rear suspension, bending of the upper cross bars front and back, Allen says it's from hard bottoming? Huh, I'm not a jumper, I hardly ride trails, I ride mostly powder. It's called snowmobiling, I don't think I should have to baby a supposedly better suspension.
Last ride in 4 feet of fresh, a thin (Pre 2010) lower shock mount broke.
It's great that they updated most of the weak crap they sold me in 09, I shouldn't have to pay for an upgrade in 2010 for stuff that should have been built beefy enough when it first came out. R&D at the customer expense.

I took off the fancy TS front end after 2 months last year, after 4 bends and breaks and calls for replacement parts at my expense. The broken front end parts are sitting on a shelf collecting dust while the stock front end is holding strong after thousand miles.

I am trying to get Mark Holtz to fab up a rear alpha skid for my nytro.
Money can easily be wasted on poor quality items with a lot of hype.
Hold out for the good stuff.
HC

 

[EKSleder]

Thanks!

Well I really don't want to have to fix something I spend good money to buy. This makes me a little nervous to buy a Timber. Thanks for you post.

 

[green_denali]

rear suspension

Thanks for the info on the timbersled setup hillclimber. It looks like a good suspsension setup and I had thought about getting it, it was a toss up between that and the Holz (Alpha X). It looks like Ill be waiting for the Alpha X to go on sell again before I get it. If I'm spending that much money than I might as well spend a little extra and get something that will be dependaple and durable, and has better suspension geometry. I just got my first ride in with the Fox Float Evol X on the front suspension and they are WAY BETTER then the stock WE's.

 

[odoggak]

Having the same problem. I have put Fox Zero Pros on the whole sled, .375 77 deg springs, part #(7041943-067), changed rear front shock location, played with limiter strap lengths and still sag. The heavier springs did help some on the firmest setting, but way to stiff for me. If I lift the rear of the sled up it sits proud and when I sit on it it sags like it should, 4 to 5", but when I get off the sled it only raises 1'' or so. I dont notice the rear bottoming out and when I ride. The rear is moving up and down and I feel that Im not loosing travel, but just tired of the saggy look. There was a new RMK at the dealer and I shoved down on it and it popped back up. Looked under at the skid and setup and didnt see any differences. Seems like there should be a fix for this without spending 2 grand on a new skid. I'm also open to any suggestions.

 

[ronmexico78]

Boys. Just put on the 'Big-Boy' springs with a pal. Worked like a charm. No more sag!!! Look a couple posts up for the part numbers. they are .375/45 springs from poo dealers.
When you call your poo dealer they will tell you this part is made for the 02' Edge chasis. It scared me a bit, but i ordered and we just put them on NO PROBLEM ! Went in like they were made for this chasis. I even have that plastic nut on the sofest setting and its stiff, with no sag. Im 220 lbs and it travels mayb 3" when i sit on it.
Dont spend the big bucks on new skids without trying this route first.

 

[Sulley]

The Alpha X is really for big HP sleds to keep the nose down so if you don't plan on putting a turbo on it the regular Holz would be just fine I would think (if cost is an issue, it was for me). I know everybody wants there sled to stand up tall and proud and look cool but the fact of the matter is that it wont float in deep stuff as well if the suspension is that stiff. That's why I say get adjustable and you can have it stiff in crappy snow conditions and soft when you need it to float in the powder. Guess it depends on what you are looking for though.

 

[milehighassassin]

The Alpha X is really for big HP sleds to keep the nose down so if you don't plan on putting a turbo on it the regular Holz would be just fine I would think (if cost is an issue, it was for me). I know everybody wants there sled to stand up tall and proud and look cool but the fact of the matter is that it wont float in deep stuff as well if the suspension is that stiff. That's why I say get adjustable and you can have it stiff in crappy snow conditions and soft when you need it to float in the powder. Guess it depends on what you are looking for though.

The Alpha-X is the only suspension Holz offers anymore.

 

[mountainhorse]

All of the suspensions offered above are top notch skids.

The Alpha-X and the Timbersled Mountain Tamer-X both have the DSC (Dual Speed Control) on the compression side of the rear-track shock that give you even more adjustment to the skid, With a ton of adjustments available to you....rebound, DSC compression hi/lo, air spring rate, shock position, (transfer and coupling adjustments on the T-sled)... this will be at the top of the list with very few others on the suspension offerings out there. This new shock allows the rider so many different adjustments that will handle anything you can throw at it!

Most mountain riders will not need the "X" model option on the T-sled and can go with the standard float option.

I've spent the last week on the demo Timbersled Mountain Tamer suspension... It just plain works in the mountains. It gets up on top of the snow better than any of the other lightweight suspensions that I've tried so far... and I have tried all of the offerings mentioned above. I'm riding the same sled that you have... I'm buying the Mountain-Tamer.

Hillclimber, It is unfortunate that you have had such bad luck with the your suspension.. I have personally seen the T-sled skid take some serious punishment.

I have watched 3 High Level (Burandt level) riders punish the Timbersled skids for the last week with Turbo and Naturally aspirated Polaris and Cat sled and not one problem. One of them was the original Timbersled edition that was purchased 3 years ago with only the bushing update. .. didn't skip a beat.

Proper installation, setup and maintenance are crucial with this skid and the other Brands as well.

Dan Adams, a factory Polaris sponsored rider gets any skids he wants.. he IS a big hucker and freerider and has not had issues with his Timbersled Suspension.

Chris Burrandt has the Timbersled on his sled and he has just ordered more of them... one of the other skids mentioned above is getting taken off to put in the Timbersled... and again he gets whatever he wants.

There are lots of choices out there.

The Alpha-X for your sled is $2200 plus a fair amount of your parts from your stock skid. (you don't need rails for the 2008)
$2500 for the skid with rails and some parts from your stock skid

Note: This kit will fit '06-'08 IQ/RMK models. This kit will not fit '09 models; Rails are required for '09 models.

The EZ-Ride is about $2500 and is a bolt in deal.

The Timbersled Mt. Tamer is $1600 for your stock rails... $2000 for with new rails... keep your stock skid intact and sell it or keep it so you can put it back on if you sell the sled or loose it to insurance.

What is in your budget/plans makes a big difference in recommendations.

Also, qualify the recommendations that people are making on aftermarket products... ask what engine mods/turbos, tracks, lengths, other add ons (spindles skis etc), type of riding (chutes, mogul basher, tree rider, powder hound), and rider size/weight so that you are evaluating your purchase )from others in a similar situation.. (for example... if you have a 146" Assault... a turbo 163" hillclimber might not have same needs or goals.

Different purposes for riding require different equipment and setups.

For the Can...[muffler] My preference is the SPG Ultra-Q silencers... compact, very lightweight and quiet. I'm not a big fan of stuff that is loud... and with more states slated for sound level checks like Colorado has this year... something to think about.

 

[Sulley]

The Alpha-X is the only suspension Holz offers anymore.

Bummer, it's expensive!