2007 Summit 800r xp (to buy or not to buy?)

[Ndanger]

I was looking for a Mountain sled and found a 2007 Summit X 800r with 159 track.

I was considering buying it (900 trail miles by older person) because it is in such pristine condition, until I read the posts about crank problems.

A few questions.. I am use to riding 155 track length in the trees, would the 159 be an issue for turning?

Will this thing likely go 3500 miles with the history of the cranks on a 2007?

is 4100.00 a reasonable price for one in Mint condition?

 

[ARMYSLEDER]

The XP Chassis was not available till 2008. As far as the motor goes all sled motors go down eventually its the life of a sled. However, I have seen the 800R motor last longer then most on the market.

 

[rhino]

my 2 buddies ride the heck out of their 07 revs. one of them just did his first maintenace last week end and put a new belt on. 3200 miles. I called BS but he swears it's the only thing he's done to it. Mainly boon docking, but he rides.
As far as turning a longer track in the trees...you won't even notice it. but you'll love it.

 

[neversummer]

I have a 07 XRS 159 with over 2000 miles on mine. I bought a 07 adrenaline for the wife this year with about 300 miles on it, knowing the issues the 07 has had. I am not too big a fan of the older xp chassis and like the rev a lot more. The problem with the 07 80-0r motor was that the cylinder clearance was too tight and caused engine seizing (from my understanding). Not that I am a mechanic but I would say that having 900 miles on it you should be free from any clearance issues. I always let mine warm up to where I can feel warmth on the tunnel before I even move the sled and use doo's semi syn oil. I have only been through one belt, which was my fault because I left the brake on without telling my wife and she tried to drive it. Most of what I ride is in the trees and never have had a problem with the 159. I think 4100 is a great price for a 07, we paid 5 grand for ours this summer.

 

[Calvin42]

Had an 07' and loved it. I tend to agree with you on the Rev chassis. I think I liked it better. No motor issues with mine.

 

[byeatts]

Had an 07' and loved it. I tend to agree with you on the Rev chassis. I think I liked it better. No motor issues with mine.

If you Mod the 07 its the best Mountain sled out there ,just my opinion, I cant stand the XP,its a good trail chassis

 

[Jaynelson]

I had an 07 X with the 159....the track was a perfect size for me actually, not problems turning or playing around whatsoever. I had a TON of fun with that sled, and the 800R was a snappy, hard hitting powerplant. However.....

Anyone who says 800R's (particularily in the 07's) don't have widespread crank problems is on glue and hasn't been around them much. Mine puked a motor at 580 miles and again at 1200 miles. Both times catastophic crank failure/spun bearings/nothing good left in the entire shortblock. Motor number 3 was the 08 motor, or updated motor or whatever Doo called it and that one was finally solid. Much less vibration, more power, and went to 2,300 miles no issues until I sold the sled and still going strong.

I would be leary of one that hasn't had the engine replaced as they seem to go anywhere from 200 to 2000 miles and when they go, they go big. It's also hard to keep clutch bushings in them. I also puked a TPS sensor and exploded the chaincase in a big way. This sled was NOT a beater and had a relatively easy life.....no big jumping, heated garage, correct oils, dealer maintained, etc. I would say 1 part crappy luck and 1 part crappy Doo design/parts.

That said, I had a lot of fun with the sled. I still think it rides better than any XP and kicks the arse out of the pre-06 revs, pre-2010 cats and pre-2011 polaris. I would take a gamble on it again for the right price.

 

[gman086]

The problem was with the case races - tolerances were too tight for the crank bearings (had nothing to do with cylinder clearance) with the new liquid cooled monoblock so some were seizing (okay, quite a few were... including mine). The problem wasn't very prevalent for flatlanders as they don't load the motor near as hard so... if you're a flatlander then you're probably safe. If you got a late '07 production motor (has an "R" stamp near the motor stop) then you're good. Another thing to consider is having a speed shop mill the races and balance the crank - cost some $'s but that motor IS worth it IMHO - stronger than any of the XP motors until the E-tec came out! For that price (a steal for mint '07 if you ask me) I'd do it.

And, as others have pointed out, for fun factor you won't find a better DOO. Mine destroys most normally aspirated non-big-bore sleds including my new Pro ('07 does have a few tricks but not anything over $1,000). If you swap out to a 15 wide C Extrm track it handles as well too (especially with an aftermarket suspension like Tom's).

Jaynelson - I saw your post on the Poo forum and have to say I'm having the opposite feelings you do. I'm not dissatisfied with the Pro but it has very little on a well setup '07 with a 15 wide track. My Pro is parked until I can afford an Evol R suspension as I'm having WAY more fun on my '07 Summit these days! Don't get me wrong, I like the Pro as it doesn't get stuck as much and gets on top of the snow much better. But I found the handling hype is just that - hype as it's not much better than a well setup REV Summit (you'd never know that until you try a 15 wide track and Tom's RevAir Evol suspension). And my '07 pulls harder than any other stock (mainly) sled I've ever been on including the Pro. I'm sure I'll love the Pro when I have the same mods and suspension my '07 has but overall I feel it was a waste of cash for me this season and mine will be sold if I don't find another job by fall.

Have FUN!

G MAN

 

[byeatts]

The problem was with the case races - tolerances were too tight for the crank bearings (had nothing to do with cylinder clearance) with the new liquid cooled monoblock so some were seizing (okay, quite a few were... including mine). The problem wasn't very prevalent for flatlanders as they don't load the motor near as hard so... if you're a flatlander then you're probably safe. If you got a late '07 production motor (has an "R" stamp near the motor stop) then you're good. Another thing to consider is having a speed shop mill the races and balance the crank - cost some $'s but that motor IS worth it IMHO - stronger than any of the XP motors until the E-tec came out! For that price (a steal for mint '07 if you ask me) I'd do it.

And, as others have pointed out, for fun factor you won't find a better DOO. Mine destroys most normally aspirated non-big-bore sleds including my new Pro ('07 does have a few tricks but not anything over $1,000). If you swap out to a 15 wide C Extrm track it handles as well too (especially with an aftermarket suspension like Tom's).

Jaynelson - I saw your post on the Poo forum and have to say I'm having the opposite feelings you do. I'm not dissatisfied with the Pro but it has very little on a well setup '07 with a 15 wide track. My Pro is parked until I can afford an Evol R suspension as I'm having WAY more fun on my '07 Summit these days! Don't get me wrong, I like the Pro as it doesn't get stuck as much and gets on top of the snow much better. But I found the handling hype is just that - hype as it's not much better than a well setup REV Summit (you'd never know that until you try a 15 wide track and Tom's RevAir Evol suspension). And my '07 pulls harder than any other stock (mainly) sled I've ever been on including the Pro. I'm sure I'll love the Pro when I have the same mods and suspension my '07 has but overall I feel it was a waste of cash for me this season and mine will be sold if I don't find another job by fall.

Have FUN!

G MAN

These are words of wisdom.I would own another sled if I could find one that handled better than a Mod 07 Rev.I ride with several pro,s as well and they are a very nice sled but dont have the fun factor a well setup Rev has.The balance is sweet.bottom turns effortless and pull hard.

 

[nelson450]

07 rev

love mine 1600 miles no issues great sled

 

[Ndanger]

These are words of wisdom.I would own another sled if I could find one that handled better than a Mod 07 Rev.I ride with several pro,s as well and they are a very nice sled but dont have the fun factor a well setup Rev has.The balance is sweet.bottom turns effortless and pull hard.

Funny you mention the handling, I noticed the 07 felt better than the new xp when I rode them back to back on a epic powder day in Wyoming earlier this year.

Thanks a bunch... you guys are awesome to share a lot of very qualified experience and thoughts... all the best -Steve

 

[ak]

The problem was with the case races - tolerances were too tight for the crank bearings (had nothing to do with cylinder clearance) with the new liquid cooled monoblock so some were seizing (okay, quite a few were... including mine). The problem wasn't very prevalent for flatlanders as they don't load the motor near as hard so... if you're a flatlander then you're probably safe. If you got a late '07 production motor (has an "R" stamp near the motor stop) then you're good. Another thing to consider is having a speed shop mill the races and balance the crank - cost some $'s but that motor IS worth it IMHO - stronger than any of the XP motors until the E-tec came out! For that price (a steal for mint '07 if you ask me) I'd do it.

And, as others have pointed out, for fun factor you won't find a better DOO. Mine destroys most normally aspirated non-big-bore sleds including my new Pro ('07 does have a few tricks but not anything over $1,000). If you swap out to a 15 wide C Extrm track it handles as well too (especially with an aftermarket suspension like Tom's).

Jaynelson - I saw your post on the Poo forum and have to say I'm having the opposite feelings you do. I'm not dissatisfied with the Pro but it has very little on a well setup '07 with a 15 wide track. My Pro is parked until I can afford an Evol R suspension as I'm having WAY more fun on my '07 Summit these days! Don't get me wrong, I like the Pro as it doesn't get stuck as much and gets on top of the snow much better. But I found the handling hype is just that - hype as it's not much better than a well setup REV Summit (you'd never know that until you try a 15 wide track and Tom's RevAir Evol suspension). And my '07 pulls harder than any other stock (mainly) sled I've ever been on including the Pro. I'm sure I'll love the Pro when I have the same mods and suspension my '07 has but overall I feel it was a waste of cash for me this season and mine will be sold if I don't find another job by fall.

Have FUN!

G MAN

I have to ask why do you feel the 15 wide is better than the 16?

 

[gman086]

I have to ask why do you feel the 15 wide is better than the 16?

Because the sled turns on a DIME now and can change direction MUCH faster. Agility is the key to advanced riding in mtn terrain and 16 wide is a joke. My Pro has an inch wider ski stance than an XP and now BRP goes with new A-arms that are THREE inches narrower in a LAME attempt at getting that agility? WHEN WILL THEY LEARN? It's not the ski stance but that lame track width. I tell you what - look over on Dootalk as I'll be posting G MAN's tip of the month which this month will be how to cut your paddles on a 16 wide down to 15 so you get the agility of a 15 wide but the floatation of a 16 wide! It WORKS - trust me!

Have FUN!

G MAN

 

[rmk01r1der]

Dont worry the polaris riders have to come over here every once in a while and stir up the pot, they have a lot of time on their hands getting towed back to the trailer . 16in wide track is awesome, i just got my xp this year, 2011 800 etec 154, made my old m series look dumb lol. One thing i don't understand is why everyone thinks its so hard to side hill these sleds . Oh and for that polaris 15 in track, ask any rental place, they've already replaced quiet a few of them

 

[Jaynelson]

^ How is it stirring the pot to post my experiences with a sled I owned for just shy of 3 years regardless of what I ride currently? Maybe you're lost because this thread isn't about 2011 XP's....it's about whether or not an 07 Rev is a smart buy. We can blow smoke up his arse and tell him it's 100%, but it's much more constructive if OP is aware that this is a sled with ups and downs....

 

[portaboy]

holy crap i snowchecked a new pro and have an 07 summit now ported cylinders had the head done with different domes and reeds plus put a team clutch on it the darn thing runs so good it has out climbed 154s and even out done some m8s i have put three sets of pistons in it just to keep it fresh only by choice and its just 144 hope i didnt make a mistake 2500 miles on it love the thing just wanted to try something new

 

[gman086]

holy crap i snowchecked a new pro and have an 07 summit now ported cylinders had the head done with different domes and reeds plus put a team clutch on it the darn thing runs so good it has out climbed 154s and even out done some m8s i have put three sets of pistons in it just to keep it fresh only by choice and its just 144 hope i didnt make a mistake 2500 miles on it love the thing just wanted to try something new

Well I had the Pro and the '07 Summit on an alpine lake with 10" of wet cascade concrete last week and the Summit beat down the Pro by 4-5 sled lengths on every single race, even with the newbie riding the Summit. The Pro gets it out of the hole for the first 100 yards as it gets on top of the snow, like, right NOW but the '07 has way more power and passes it. I was really feeling bad about it all (maybe I'd gotten a lemon Pro?) when this guy shows up on a new Summit XP 800R bragging about how "badass" it is. He challenges me to a race so... I hop from the Pro to the '07 and, well, the XP got annihilated by over 5 lengths. He didn't even run me again and didn't say another word about how badass the XP is, LOL! Didn't feel so bad about the Pro's performance after that! The '07 was definitely the strongest 800R. A speedshop guy said it was because of the thinner base gasket, more aggro timing curve and better pipe configuration vs cramming it in the XP chassis?

The Pro is a better sled - gets stuck less, better handling and easier to get unstuck BUT it simply needs more power. An HM turbo on a Pro is about the closest thing to heaven on a sled that you are gonna find. And apparently guys doing porting, head and pipe are getting 170 hp which should really be a fun sled for about half the cost of the turbo. Be prepared to spend some coin but I have no doubt you'll be happy.

Have FUN!

G MAN

 

[toms]

Well I had the Pro and the '07 Summit on an alpine lake with 10" of wet cascade concrete last week and the Summit beat down the Pro by 4-5 sled lengths on every single race, even with the newbie riding the Summit. The Pro gets it out of the hole for the first 100 yards as it gets on top of the snow, like, right NOW but the '07 has way more power and passes it. I was really feeling bad about it all (maybe I'd gotten a lemon Pro?) when this guy shows up on a new Summit XP 800R bragging about how "badass" it is. He challenges me to a race so... I hop from the Pro to the '07 and, well, the XP got annihilated by over 5 lengths. He didn't even run me again and didn't say another word about how badass the XP is, LOL! Didn't feel so bad about the Pro's performance after that! The '07 was definitely the strongest 800R. A speedshop guy said it was because of the thinner base gasket, more aggro timing curve and better pipe configuration vs cramming it in the XP chassis?

The Pro is a better sled - gets stuck less, better handling and easier to get unstuck BUT it simply needs more power. An HM turbo on a Pro is about the closest thing to heaven on a sled that you are gonna find. And apparently guys doing porting, head and pipe are getting 170 hp which should really be a fun sled for about half the cost of the turbo. Be prepared to spend some coin but I have no doubt you'll be happy.

Have FUN!

G MAN

G Man,
Are you running the 3-D lever arms in your 07 Rev?
After 2 seasons we have found some killer combinations, including Rev, XP, and the new E-Tec motors.

Tom

 

[gman086]

G Man,
Are you running the 3-D lever arms in your 07 Rev?
After 2 seasons we have found some killer combinations, including Rev, XP, and the new E-Tec motors.

Tom

Thanks a lot Tom... you just gave away one of my secrets! LOL! Your clutching setups are unbeatable in my book.

We need to catch up soon, I'll try you tomorrow (gotta ride today - 2 feet of fresh!).

Best,

G

 

[byeatts]

Well I had the Pro and the '07 Summit on an alpine lake with 10" of wet cascade concrete last week and the Summit beat down the Pro by 4-5 sled lengths on every single race, even with the newbie riding the Summit. The Pro gets it out of the hole for the first 100 yards as it gets on top of the snow, like, right NOW but the '07 has way more power and passes it. I was really feeling bad about it all (maybe I'd gotten a lemon Pro?) when this guy shows up on a new Summit XP 800R bragging about how "badass" it is. He challenges me to a race so... I hop from the Pro to the '07 and, well, the XP got annihilated by over 5 lengths. He didn't even run me again and didn't say another word about how badass the XP is, LOL! Didn't feel so bad about the Pro's performance after that! The '07 was definitely the strongest 800R. A speedshop guy said it was because of the thinner base gasket, more aggro timing curve and better pipe configuration vs cramming it in the XP chassis?

The Pro is a better sled - gets stuck less, better handling and easier to get unstuck BUT it simply needs more power. An HM turbo on a Pro is about the closest thing to heaven on a sled that you are gonna find. And apparently guys doing porting, head and pipe are getting 170 hp which should really be a fun sled for about half the cost of the turbo. Be prepared to spend some coin but I have no doubt you'll be happy.

Have FUN!

G MAN

Try the Alternative Impact 37 inch A arms on your 07, Totally a different handling machine, Will carve on setup snow and remarkable in the powder and holds a line effortlessly,Great for boondocking.These should have been made years ago.