2-Moto Questions/Comments

[teal_210]

After 4 rides on the 2-moto kit I have a few questions:

Who is running the 10" wide simmons, and how does it compare to the standard ski? This thing is a submarine is soft snow, we're talking stuck up to the seat when I let off.

What's everyone running for a rear suspension set-up? I going to the sag set at 100mm on the olhns shock, but what is the secret to the other one? It doesn't seem to make much of a difference. Right now I have it all the way soft.

EFI Bikes are a nightmare to start in the morning. Does anything help?

The RMZ is WAAAYY too loud stock, so I put on a Dr.D with a quiet core insert, which melted my pants within minutes. Going to sew some leather to the inside leg of my pants to stop this.

Does the sketchyness ever go away on the trail? I'm hoping this is just me holding on too tight.

The rear end seems to swap out easily when standing up in the bumps, any way to avoid this?

Thanks for your help, I've attached a few pics for fun.

 

[off road rider]

It looks like your having a blast!!
Ill try and give you my take after a few years of riding a 525 kitted with the 2moto..
I ran the wide Simmons ski and really liked it.. It makes a huge diff in the powder.. Once I got used to it I never took it off..makes the trail a bit more interesting, but not to bad..

I messed with the other shock as well, from my understanding allowing it to pop up faster in the front is better for the powder,, I preferred mine as stiff as possible for all conditions..I didn't feel a big diff either way..

"Does the sketchyness ever go away on the trail? I'm hoping this is just me holding on too tight"
No.. it does get easier to ride and relaxing is the key.. I found that if I placed it on edge like a snowboard, dealing with the trails was much easier..

I never had an issue with the tail,, might be the difference in bikes..

 

[snowhawkaddict]

Don't give up.

The wider skis are a must in the deep, prior to the 2007 snowmobiling season the Simmons wide was not available. Now Simmons makes a version for the Hawk and all the conversions. One suggestion would be to adapt the wider AD Boivin ski and Twin Axis pivot to your application, most Snow Hawk and Explorer riders are perfectly happy with the OEM ski.

Burned clothing is a common issue, wrapping with header insulation or some sort of fabricated heat shielding guards is your best fix.

 

[off road rider]

Its pretty tough for a single ski machine to work great in all conditions..
for deep snow I cant see anything being better than the gen2, Im setting one up on my Hawk right now..(Hopefully Ill get a chance to use it) I noticed my hawk diving deep in 3ft of pow...I would rather be up on top..
for sidehilling the stock 2moto ski is best..No pivot super stable. for trails the bovin with snowtrackers and pivot..seems to track straight without the fear of getting pitched over the bars and sticks unbelievably well in the corners..
so I say be prepared with a few different ski options and choose based on what conditions you will be riding for any given day..
Perhaps the Bovin ski is the best all around option, Especially if a guy could figure out a way to have the pivot and disable it quickly, making it ridged.. shouldn't be that hard to do..

 

[PalousePoo]

Cool pics!

 

[crawfishoo]

Well I have a good amount of time on both ski's and each has its advantages. The normal ski turns sharper and holds side hills better in my opinion. For deep powder with no base the wide ski is definately better, helps the bike float. It also depends alot on the bike, heavier bikes like WR's, KTM's, and Bergs I believe the wide ski is a must if you get into anything deep. Helps to keep the heavier bikes on top of the snow. I ride an 09 CRF and it is so light, especially in the front end, that I feel no need for a wide ski. I tried my buddies one day on my bike and I can say a wide ski will never go back on. But find someone with one to try out, you might like it you might not.


For suspension I'm not really sure where mine is set at, I know that the sag has never been touched. Bret Blaser (2moto demo man and tester) helped me with the clickers at the ground zero race last year, but honestly I'm not sure where they are at. I will be gone for a week but when I get back I see where the clickers are set at. As for forks I run my rebound the same as dirt, but the compression is 4 clicks from full hard to keep the front end from diving.

You can get exhaust wrap from any auto store, you only need like the $20 roll to the the whole head pipe.

Getting your ECM re-mapped will probably do wonders for cold starts. My bike started significantly easier and gained a good amount of power after a re-map.

Riding down the trails gets easier, just like you said dont hold on so tight, let the bike go where it wants. Just leanto steer when needed, you will get used to it. The best solution is... get off the trail, these are meant to boondock with!! The sooner you get off the trail the better.

 

[teal_210]

Thanks for the input guys. Sounds like most people like the wide ski for powder which is what we have this time of the year. I wish it was as easy as just getting off the trail, but around here we have to ride the trail to get to deeper snow.

crawfish, you don't happen to have a used wide ski for sale do you? 2moto want's too much for one ski IMO. How did you bike your bike remapped? Dealer, or do you have a controller? The RMZ likes to sputter and backfire a few times before starting when cold, not sure what causes this. Once it's started for the day it only takes 1-2 kicks.

Keep the input coming!

 

[off road rider]

here is something to think about.. the explorer will kick the crap out of a 2moto on the trail.. Why?? its the ski/setback.. much more stable than the 2moto..
dont get me wrong, the 2moto is a much better platform over all, IMO, but if you want to trail ride you might look at running the bovin ski.. it also works great in the pow...

 

[teal_210]

here is something to think about.. the explorer will kick the crap out of a 2moto on the trail.. Why?? its the ski/setback.. much more stable than the 2moto..
dont get me wrong, the 2moto is a much better platform over all, IMO, but if you want to trail ride you might look at running the bovin ski.. it also works great in the pow...

I may have been a little unclear...I don't want to trail ride just have to in order to get to the good stuff with the limited snow that we currently have. I typically don't go to snow parks where you unload in good snow, I ride the less popular places where you have to unload when you hit snow because the the roads are too steep to drive on, and aren't plowed. I haven't seen a groomed trail for years!

The explorer kit looks nice, but just doesn't fit my riding. It seems like a kit that you could play around on when there is a little bit of snow, but isn't a replacement for the sled which is what I'm hoping the 2 moto can do.

 

[adrenalinejky]

After 4 rides on the 2-moto kit I have a few questions:

Who is running the 10" wide simmons, and how does it compare to the standard ski? This thing is a submarine is soft snow, we're talking stuck up to the seat when I let off.

What's everyone running for a rear suspension set-up? I going to the sag set at 100mm on the olhns shock, but what is the secret to the other one? It doesn't seem to make much of a difference. Right now I have it all the way soft.

EFI Bikes are a nightmare to start in the morning. Does anything help?

The RMZ is WAAAYY too loud stock, so I put on a Dr.D with a quiet core insert, which melted my pants within minutes. Going to sew some leather to the inside leg of my pants to stop this.

Does the sketchyness ever go away on the trail? I'm hoping this is just me holding on too tight.

The rear end seems to swap out easily when standing up in the bumps, any way to avoid this?

Thanks for your help, I've attached a few pics for fun.

The problem I see with the 2 Moto is you have no track adjustment foward and back. You can not change where the weight is put on the track. With the track in the foward position on the Bovine kit you can putt in the deepest snow you can find. Granted the suspension is inactive, But who needs suspension in the deep.

I have melted 2 sets of expensive bibs, It sucked..

The rear end swapping is a trait of all the kits get used to it.

Once you get it remapped it will be better

good luck and have fun.

 

[snowhawkaddict]

Rub the crystal ball.

The explorer kit looks nice, but just doesn't fit my riding. It seems like a kit that you could play around on when there is a little bit of snow, but isn't a replacement for the sled which is what I'm hoping the 2 moto can do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr2hoesHJp8

 

[J&L Snowhawk]

ski options

If you want the boivin ski I keep them in stock. comes complete with carbides and snowtracker, and the twin axis ski adapter as used on hawks and explorer kits.

You guys should venture to cooke city next weekend some we can have some good comparisons side by side. You can swap out these skis with just one bolt on the hawk and explorer kits.

 

[crawfishoo]

I may have been a little unclear...I don't want to trail ride just have to in order to get to the good stuff with the limited snow that we currently have. I typically don't go to snow parks where you unload in good snow, I ride the less popular places where you have to unload when you hit snow because the the roads are too steep to drive on, and aren't plowed. I haven't seen a groomed trail for years!

The explorer kit looks nice, but just doesn't fit my riding. It seems like a kit that you could play around on when there is a little bit of snow, but isn't a replacement for the sled which is what I'm hoping the 2 moto can do.

Give it a little time you will get use to how these bikes handle on the trails. My buddy and I are completely comfortable racing down a groomed trail in fifth gear, it just takes time to get use to how they handle. Same for whooped out trails, we can ride through whoops just like a bike, again it takes time to learn how they react. One thing you might try to do is move the front ski forward, they come in the rearward position. I personally feel it handles much better with the ski moved forward. Take out the two bolts just above the ski mount and move it forward to the other set of holes.

Well I did some searching around, and re-mapping an RM-Z is not as simple as a CRF . Suzuki does not make or sell to anyone the software to change ECM settings. So really you only have one option, to get a power commander III or V. Its going to be like $350 for one though , I only had to paid $30 to get my ECM re-mapped . But if your interested in doing it I can direct you to guy who sells power commanders and makes custom maps for you.

 

[J&L Snowhawk]

remap

Hey crawfish do you think you can get something for my aprilia sxv5.5?
I had the factory remap done so it now starts good in warm weather but still not in the cold. thanks for any help Les

 

[off road rider]

potato.. patoto.. I think that guys modding there machines and playing around with different setups, etc, will make for a overall better machines and push the manufactures to put out a better product.. dealing with issues that can be fixed or improved upon by saying "learn how to ride" or "deal with it" is not acceptable to me.. Guys that have some time on both main kits and the hawk know each has their strong points.. a combo af all would be cool..
Theres always a better mouse trap..

 

[teal_210]

potato.. patoto.. I think that guys modding there machines and playing around with different setups, etc, will make for a overall better machines and push the manufactures to put out a better product.. dealing with issues that can be fixed or improved upon by saying "learn how to ride" or "deal with it" is not acceptable to me.. Guys that have some time on both main kits and the hawk know each has there strong points.. a combo af all would be cool..
Theres always a better mouse trap..

I agree 100%. Personally, I can deal with sketchyness on the trail, but that has been the #1 complaint from others who have ridden my bike and a big reason why they aren't ready to get one yet. I figure if I can work out the problems I'll have more buddies to ride with.

 

[snowhawkaddict]

Why can't you who ride the conversions accept the performance you have, in their environment they are king, show me a Twoski from yesteryear with twice your power that will go where you have ventured!

I know the answer, unlimited terrain and changing conditions warrent the desire for more power. As long as you have a manual trans a bigger bore or turbo will only get you in deeper. There's two cents worth far more than the change your headed to spend.

 

[snowhawkaddict]

I agree 100%. Personally, I can deal with sketchyness on the trail, but that has been the #1 complaint from others who have ridden my bike and a big reason why they aren't ready to get one yet. I figure if I can work out the problems I'll have more buddies to ride with.

If they had it their way they'ed have you get right back to the old tried and true Two. It's funny hearing the excuses why it is not right yet, what do they think, have they forgotten where they started and what they've become on their snowmobiles.

Remember the Honda commercial with Jerome McGrath, "you think I got here sitting there, put the joystick down and get outside and ride!"

Sometimes you have to leave the weak/closed minded behind, otherwise they'll hold you back, when they realize your not comming back maybe some will try to catch up.

 

[crawfishoo]

I agree 100%. Personally, I can deal with sketchyness on the trail, but that has been the #1 complaint from others who have ridden my bike and a big reason why they aren't ready to get one yet. I figure if I can work out the problems I'll have more buddies to ride with.

Dont take what I said the wrong way, I'm not saying learn how to ride you suck, or just deal with the sketchyness. It takes time to learn how to ride a snow bike. Nobody jumps on a motocross bike and over night can keep pace in the pro class. The same principle applies, no one is going to be an expert on a snow bike the first couple times he goes out. Give it time and practice you will become very comfortable through the trails and whoops promise . They handle very different from a dirtbike, your mind and muscles have to retrain themselves for snowbiking.

If your trying to convince your buddies to get one, have them ride it when you get off the trail . You ride it out there, then let them have the fun, haha I did that last year and almost everyone I ride with has one now.

 

[crawfishoo]

Hey crawfish do you think you can get something for my aprilia sxv5.5?
I had the factory remap done so it now starts good in warm weather but still not in the cold. thanks for any help Les

Not sure what year your bike is but here is a link for the power commander.

http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander/powercommander_iii_usb.aspx?mk=1&mdl=162&yr=2008