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09 Dragon 800 not getting over 8,000 RPM's. Check out my set up.

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Does anything sound wrong with this set up?? I'm lucky to 8,000 RPM's riding from 9,000 to 10,000 feet. Any thoughts on what I might need to adjust or have checked? Thanks.

Sled: 2009 Dragon 800 163" with 3,000 miles on it.

Setup:
-SLP pipe and can
-SLP head
-PCV with SLP map
-V-Force 3 reeds
-Primary has MTX 68 gram without any rivets in it
-Blue / Pink Primary spring (500 miles on it)
-Black / Purple Secondary (500 miles on it)
-Both clutches serviced, cleaned, and balanced by SLP 500 miles ago.
-Exhaust valves just cleaned and running the pink springs
-New fuel filter just installed
-New stock plugs
-TPS just adjusted by dealer, it was out.
-Polaris 1115 belt with 500 miles on it
-2010 update done with new pistons and heads at 1,800 miles
-Last ECU map update would have been with the 2010 engine update
 
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Seems to me that 68 gram weights is way to heavy.I ride 9-12k and i run 56 gram weight,and my 2010 assault will tack at 8400.Have you ever got above 8000 with that set-up?
 
I would also check to see if your exhaust valves are opening all the way at elevation.I changed mine out to pink.
 
Seems to me that 68 gram weights is way to heavy.I ride 9-12k and i run 56 gram weight,and my 2010 assault will tack at 8400.Have you ever got above 8000 with that set-up?

Like I said it might barley get over 8000 hear and there, but its rare at the 9 to 10k area. Are your 56 gram weights Polaris or MTX? My local dealer has apparently used these 68 gram weights with all the sleds like mine with similar set up.
 
68'S are way to heavy. Go to 56's or 58's and she will run much much better. Might want to throw a steeper helix in there and try the belly buster weights. I have had great luck with the belly buster weights. gear to 19/42 also
 
My weights are polaris 10 series weights.I would take out one of the rivets to lighten them up.It doesn't make since with all those mods your sled should at the very lease get 8250 rpm.
 
68'S are way to heavy. Go to 56's or 58's and she will run much much better. Might want to throw a steeper helix in there and try the belly buster weights. I have had great luck with the belly buster weights. gear to 19/42 also

I have some Polaris 10-62 weights. Should I try them?
 
I would try them to compare,but you need 58 or 56 in the polaris weights for that elevation.A delrin washer and shim in the secondary if its stock helps as well.
 
I would try them to compare,but you need 58 or 56 in the polaris weights for that elevation.A delrin washer and shim in the secondary if its stock helps as well.

I hear ya, but If you look at SLP's recomendations for this set up they tell you for these elevations to run the SLP MTX 68 gram and have one rivet in them. Are the Polaris weights that different then the MTX that you would drop down from 68's to 56's? Sounds like a big drop to me? Also all the spings I'm running are right on from what SLP recomends. It just sounds like I might be missing something else asside from weights and washers, but I'm no expert.
 
10 series + 4 grams = MTX

I hear ya, but If you look at SLP's recomendations for this set up they tell you for these elevations to run the SLP MTX 68 gram and have one rivet in them. Are the Polaris weights that different then the MTX that you would drop down from 68's to 56's? Sounds like a big drop to me? Also all the spings I'm running are right on from what SLP recomends. It just sounds like I might be missing something else asside from weights and washers, but I'm no expert.

The conversion factor is STOCK POLARIS weight + 4 grams= MTX WEIGHT

So if the 56 grams was kinda close, 60 gram MTX is where you want to start.

Each gram in the tip changes the R.P.M. approx 100 R.P.M.

Each gram in the middle changes the R.P.M. approx 50 R.P.M.

After installing the MTX weights, you need to check the belt to sheave clearance to see if you're at .015" +/- as the MTX's have a taller shoulder height that "tightens up" the clearance a bit when compared to the 10 series POLARIS weights.

I ran the MTX's on my 2002 EDGE-X 800 and loved 'em, got it dialed in real well. A definite improvement over the 10-66's.

When I installed them on my 2007 D7, several spring combo (SLP's recommendation and others) I couldn't get them to work, same Top speed, but it loaded the engine too much in the middle, lost that responsiveness.
 
The 115 belt is a good belt, but at 500 miles, depending on how you ride, it might be worn out. Even if it looks ok you should measure it, or just do the easy way and swap it out and see if the problem goes away. I've seen belts that look ok cause rpm problems.
 
The conversion factor is STOCK POLARIS weight + 4 grams= MTX WEIGHT

So if the 56 grams was kinda close, 60 gram MTX is where you want to start.

Each gram in the tip changes the R.P.M. approx 100 R.P.M.

Each gram in the middle changes the R.P.M. approx 50 R.P.M.

After installing the MTX weights, you need to check the belt to sheave clearance to see if you're at .015" +/- as the MTX's have a taller shoulder height that "tightens up" the clearance a bit when compared to the 10 series POLARIS weights.

I ran the MTX's on my 2002 EDGE-X 800 and loved 'em, got it dialed in real well. A definite improvement over the 10-66's.

When I installed them on my 2007 D7, several spring combo (SLP's recommendation and others) I couldn't get them to work, same Top speed, but it loaded the engine too much in the middle, lost that responsiveness.

Thanks for the info. So... it sounds like the 10-62's I have would be the equivalent to MTX 66's. With that said, changing down the 2 grams from the MTX 68's to 10-62's might give me an extra 200 RPM's which would have me at around 8100 to 8200 which would be right on. Does this logic make sense? Or I saw a set of 10-60's for $20. Would that be closer to what I should try?
 
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The 115 belt is a good belt, but at 500 miles, depending on how you ride, it might be worn out. Even if it looks ok you should measure it, or just do the easy way and swap it out and see if the problem goes away. I've seen belts that look ok cause rpm problems.

Thanks. What do you think about running the less expensive 1080 belt? changeing out the 1115 at 500 miles is a bit spendy at $160.
 
Thanks for the info. So... it sounds like the 10-62's I have would be the equivalent to MTX 66's. With that said, changing down the 2 grams from the MTX 68's to 10-62's might give me an extra 200 RPM's which would have me at around 8100 to 8200 which would be right on. Does this logic make sense? Or I saw a set of 10-60's for $20. Would that be closer to what I should try?

I can't say on the 10-60's since I don't ride that elevation. Whatever 10 series worked/came close before, add 4 grams to that if you want to go the MTX route.

On the belt, the 3211080 (POLARIS 3211087 is a close tolerance version of the 1080) works on some depending on the heat, add venting, and for the cheaper price, why not try it is what I would say. With that softer belt, R.P.M.s may drop approx 200 compared to the 1115, or compensate with a 2 gram lighter weight.


From my TECH TIPS THREAD under increasing your IQ pinned at the top:

ALMOST FREE MODS

PRIMARY CLUTCH


1) Check your primary sheave side clearance, should be .010" to .015" with a BRAND NEW BELT, mine & my bud's were .070" from the factory. Increases acceleration and reduces the slamming effect onto the crank.

2) Send your clutch out for balancing, (Preferably after the above step has been completed) noticeably smoother running and extends crank life. SLP ($35.00) and others here on SnoWest can perform this service.

3) Install a new primary clutch spring @ the start of EVERY season.


SECONDARY

1) Install only ONE DELRIN washer under the spring cup (less than $5.00)

2) Install a new spring @ the start of every season


BOTH PRIMARY & SECONDARY

1) Align your clutches (center to center 11.5" EXACTLY, and check for engine crooked, pictures posted in the "link" below as to how the the alignment tool SHOULD contact the front and rear of the secondary) Check this using the SLP or TEAM tool, as the Genuine Gold Plated POLARIS tool has approx .070" of built-in "kick" which is NOT what you want. Check your alignment tool bar for "straightness" with a 3' or so carpenter's level, drywall "T" square, etc., and vernier calipers. mountainhorse reported (2) defective SLP tools. Just because it's NEW doesn't mean it's PERFECT!

A) WITH SLP PUSH LIMITER: 0 to .020" air gap @ the rear of the secondary, (with the front of the secondary touching the alignment bar)

B) WITHOUT SLP push limiter: .020" to .040" of air gap @ the rear of the secondary (with the front of the secondary touching the alignment bar)

You may have to slot the engine bracket(s) to get it PERFECT. On mine and my bud's 07 D7 we had to slot the Mag side engine bracket almost 3/8" to straighten things out. A picture of the Mag side engine bracket is in the link below, do this step ONLY if necessary! Double check your c/c measurements after you get the engine "straight" and then slot BOTH engine brackets an EQUAL amount (if necceasry) to obtain the 11.5" center to center EXACTLY.

2) Check and adjust the offset after the above has been completed. This is E-Z to do, just adjust shims on the secondary shaft until the secondary touches the alignment bar. You want approx .030" of free play as well.

3) Lightly sand both the primary and secondary clutches with 180 grit sandpaper perpendicular to the way the belt rides and wipe down with lacquer thinner. Mark the primary with a fat black marker, make a few full throttle runs, and see where your belt rides up to on the clutch.

4) Wash/scrub (plastic bristle brush) your BRAND NEW belt w/soap & hot water, and let dry overnight, sounds weird but it removes the "mold release" compound that would otherwise would get smeared all over your nice clean clutches.
 
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I can't say on the 10-60's since I don't ride that elevation. Whatever 10 series worked/came close before, add 4 grams to that if you want to go the MTX route.

On the belt, the 1080 works on some depending on the heat, so for the cheaper price, why not try it is what I would say.

I never road it with the 10 series weights. Does my above logic make sense though with the 10-62's vs the MTX 68's. I have a set of the 10-62's and will try them if it sounds like it'll take me up a couple hundred R's
 
I never road it with the 10 series weights. Does my above logic make sense though with the 10-62's vs the MTX 68's. I have a set of the 10-62's and will try them if it sounds like it'll take me up a couple hundred R's

I follow your logic, but I think they may be a bit heavy based on another member's post of 56's that rides at elevation.

I don't want to see you wasting $$$ and buying unnecessary weights, if you have some lighter ones to borrow for the day as it appears you might end up in the 58-60 gram area.....................
 
I follow your logic, but I think they may be a bit heavy based on another member's post of 56's that rides at elevation.

I don't want to see you wasting $$$ and buying unnecessary weights, if you have some lighter ones to borrow for the day as it appears you might end up in the 58-60 gram area.....................

Cool. I'll give it a try and see if that does the trick. Thanks man...
 
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